Derprinz/googleboy5 wrote:he Crucifixion and Resurrection were never prophesied in the Bible's Old Testament:

Here are references that will prove you to be a LIAR. Please be patient as I have not fully answered your article. I will do so by tomorrow. I hope in the mean time you will answer my reply.

Betrayed by a friend
Psalm 41 v 9; Matt 10 v 4.

Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me. (Psalm 41:9)

Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him (Mathew 10:4)

Sold for 30 pieces of silver
Zech 11 v 12; Matt 26 v 15.

And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver. (Zech 11:12)

And said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver. (Mathew 26:15)

Did Not answer his accusers
Isaiah 53 v 7; Matt 27 v 12.

He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. (Isaiah 53:7)

And when he was accused of the chief priests and elders, he answered nothing. (Mathew 27:12)

Wounded and beaten
Isaiah 53 v 5; Matt 27 v 26.

But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. (Isaiah 53:5)


Then released he Barabbas unto them: and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified. (Mathew 27:26)

Hit and Spat at
Isaiah 50 v 6; Matt 26 v 67.

I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting. (Isaiah 50:6)

Then did they spit in his face, and buffeted him; and others smote him with the palms of their hands, (Mathew 26:67)

Hands and Feet pierced
Psalm 22 v 16; Luke 23 v 33.

For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. (Psalm 22:16)

And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left. (Luke 23:33)

Thieves crucified with him
Isaiah 53 v 12; Matt 27 v 38.

Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. (Isaiah 53:12)

Then were there two thieves crucified with him, one on the right hand, and another on the left. (Mathew 27:38)

He was pierced
Zech 12 v 10; John 19 v 34.

And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. (Zech 12:10)

But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water. (John 19:34)

Buried in a rich man's grave
Isaiah 53 v 9; Matt 27 v 57-60.

And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. (Isaiah 53:9)

When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple: He went to Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered. And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed. (Mathew 27:57-60)

His Resurrection
Psalm 16 v 10; Acts 2 v 31.

For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. (Psalm 16:10)

He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. (ACTS 2:31)

Let us examine Koran and see what it says about Jesus' crucifixion:

Audience
Allah speaks to Jews and not to the Christians.

Koran 4:154-159
4.154. And for their covenant we raised over them (the towering height) of Mount (Sinai); and (on another occasion) we said: "Enter the gate with humility"; and (once again) we commanded them: "Transgress not in the matter of the sabbath." And we took from them a solemn covenant.

4.155. (They have incurred divine displeasure): In that they broke their covenant; that they rejected the signs of Allah. that they slew the Messengers in defiance of right; that they said, "Our hearts are the wrappings (which preserve Allah.s Word; We need no more)";- Nay, Allah hath set the seal on their hearts for their blasphemy, and little is it they believe;-

4.156 That they rejected Faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge;

4.157. That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of God.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:

4.158. Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-

4.159. And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death;[b] and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them;-

If Jesus was never crucified the Koran would have never said it confirmed the Gospel and ordered so called Christians to follow its command:

[b]Let the People of the Gospel judge by what God hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what God hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel. Koran 5:47

So according Koran we are trying to guide you but in your disbelief you are among the rebels. Not my words your Allah's words.

If only they had stood fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that was sent to them from their Lord, they would have enjoyed happiness from every side. There is from among them a party on the right course: But many of them follow a course that is evil. (Koran 5:69)

Say: "O People of the Book! Ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord...." (Koran 5:68)

The Koran says it came to "CONFIRM" and not abroagte or even correct the previous scriptures as many Muslims claim

Koran 2.41 And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone.

Koran 2.89 And when there comes to them a Book from God, confirming what is with them,- although from of old they had prayed for victory against those without Faith,- when there comes to them that which they (should) have recognized, they refuse to believe in it but the curse of Allah is on those without Faith.

Koran 2.91 When it is said to them, “Believe in what God Hath sent down, “they say, “We believe in what was sent down to us:” yet they reject all besides, even if it be Truth confirming what is with them. Say: “Why then have ye slain the prophets of Allah in times gone by, if ye did indeed believe?”

To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what God hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If God had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to God; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute; Koran 5:48

In truth We have sent the Quran to you, confirming all the previous heavenly books that were revealed before you and bearing witness to them. Koran 5:48

It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong). Koran 3:3

Jesus used Psalm 91 and Jesus knew this psalm and He repeated words from it when Satan tried to tempt him. "Tempt" means "try to make someone do what they should not do". The story is in Matthew 4:11.

The priest says that everyone will be safe with the Most High, who is the Almighty. The person that he says it to replies. He replies that the LORD is his castle. He trusts in God. A castle is a strong building where you are safe from your enemies. He does not mean that God is a castle. He means that God is as a castle. So, he trusts (or believes that he will be safe) in God.

The priest answers that God will make him safe. He puts this into picture language:

• a trap is what people catch birds in. The bird cannot see it. But God will not let anything catch his servant (verse 3a).
  
• God will not let illness destroy his servant (verse 3b).
  
• Verse 4 gives us a picture ... of God as a bird! A bird has wings (that it flies with) and feathers (on its wings). It makes young birds safe under these feathers and wings. God does the same for his servants. He makes them safe. Another word for "make safe" is "protect".
  
• there are two shields in verse 4 also, big and small. Shields are what soldiers protect themselves with. God protects ... or makes safe ... his people. But the shield is only a picture. It is a picture of God’s loyalty. Loyalty means that you do not stop being a friend to someone. You do not stop giving them help whatever happens. Wings and feathers are pictures of big and small shields. Here is an example of Hebrew poetry. The *Jews wrote the psalms in Hebrew. Poetry is a special and beautiful way to use words. The *Jews said the same thing with two different sets of words!

In verses 5 - 10, we read about dangers, arrows, illnesses, bad things and fighting. Arrows are sharp sticks that bows shoot. Today we have guns! Bible students have two ideas about all these things:

• they are a plague. A plague is an illness that people catch from each other. If one person becomes ill, many other people that live near become ill also.
  
• they are bad (or evil) spirits. An evil spirit is a servant of God’s enemy Satan. We cannot see them, but we can see what they do. They make people ill in their minds and their bodies.

These verses tell us not to be afraid! If we trust in God (ask God for help and believe that he will give it) then he will protect us from illness and evil spirits. It is important to know that the psalm does not mean the illnesses that we often get, like colds. It means plagues. Even if we become ill through a plague, God will protect us after we die. We will live with him in heaven, his home. And God will always protect us from evil spirits. In verse 7, "by your side" may mean "by your left side". In verse 9, it says "the Most High is your home". This is picture language while we live on earth. It means we can go to God any time and anywhere. We can pray to him and he will hear and answer us. As it says in verse 15. When we die and get to heaven then God’s home will be our home. But we must love and obey God for this to happen.

In verse 11, the angels are God’s servants. We cannot always see them, but they are always there to give us help. In verse 13, lions are animals that eat other animals. They even eat people! Cobras and serpents are snakes. When they bite you, they put poison into you. But "walk on" and "under your feet" mean that lions and snakes will not hurt us if we love and obey God. But this does not mean that we have to walk on snakes to see if the psalm is true. It means that if we walk on it without knowing that it is there, we will be safe.

The last three verses are words of God. "What I will do for him" in verse 16 means "the things I do to save him". We call this "his salvation". Salvation means "saving" or "making safe". In the psalm, it means while we are alive on earth. Christians believe it means after we die also.

Regarding Psalm 116 & Psalm 118, talks eternal death and nothing more. However, Psalm 116:8 For thou hast delivered my soul from death, talks of the dangers when David was surrounded by the army of Saul. Neither Psalm 91, 116 or 118 says that Jesus would not die. They talk of eternal death. So you are wrong here.

Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; (Hebrews 5:7)

The whole chapter of Hebrews 5 talks of Jesus as High Priest. And as High Priest offers gifts and sacrifices for sins (Hebrews 5:1), in the same way Jesus gave up His life for our sins. And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins. (Hebrews 5:3).

Hebrews 5:7 specifically talks of to deliver Jesus from the state of dead and Jesus was restored back to life. The problem with you is that you do not know our faith. You have just watched some videos of Ahmed Deedat and Zakir Naik and thought you will come and over take this forum with your false preaching. You first need to know our faith to comment on it. You are just forcing your opinion:

Derprinz/googleboy5 wrote:The Bible is in clear contradiction with itself regarding Jesus Christ's alleged crucifixion and in everything else that it essentially talks about. It can not be trusted nor taken very seriously to base a serious faith on.

What logic you have presented by quoting Psalm 91, 116, 118 and so on, makes a man immortal being. You have to understand that when Psalmist talks of death, he talks of eternal death.