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The Bible doesn't teach that God will save everyone does it?

Post  rodgertutt on Wed 06 Aug 2008, 11:09 pm

SCRIPTURAL PROOFS THAT THE BIBLE TEACHES UNIVERSAL SALVATION

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/universalism-is-not-in-the-bible.htm

http://richardwaynegarganta.com/Understanding%20Universal%20Salvation%20Part%20One.htm

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/ScripturalProofs.html

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Bible-Proofs-modern.html


http://www.tentmaker.org/FAQ/fewsaved.htm

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/Hell_is_Leaving_the_Bible_Forever.htmlTranslations That Do Not Teach Eternal Torment
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/GatesOfHell.html


Also see five scriptural expositions expounding Universal Reconciliation at

http://concordant.org/expohtml/HumanDestiny/doubts.html

http://concordant.org/expohtml/HumanDestiny/1cor15.html

http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheEons/index.html

http://gtft.org/Library/condon/QuestionsWithoutAnswers.htm

Regarding the most common argument that the same word for "punishment" is also used for "life" see the following:


http://www.savior-of-all.com/aionian.html

All three of these articles should be studied with care, especially the third one.

http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheEons/eon1.html
http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheEons/eon2.html
http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheEons/eon3.html

also see

http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheEons/aion.html
http://concordant.org/version/tranprin.html


http://richardwaynegarganta.com/universalsalvation.htm

A little test about the word "ALL" that's found in Scripture.

If Truth is changed to not be all inclusive, when the context renders that it should be it then becomes error.

Reconsider the following Scriptures, without using any preconceived thoughts or forced interpretation upon them. This may be more difficult to do than first realized, because we all resort to an immediate interpretation of something based on our past understandings of the verse.

The darkest doctrine ever devised by men was that of an "eternal suffering" for the billions of souls that die lost without Christ.
Like wolves among the sheep, carnally-minded men within the church system found it very effective to use the fear of an unending hell to control the masses that enter their religion.
Unfortunately this doctrine has remained at large in Christianity as a whole.

The Lord Jesus said, "When I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw all men to myself." - John 12:32
LOOK AT THE VERSES WITH THE WORD ALL

Savior of all, especially believers (1 Tim 4:9-11)

http://www.tentmaker.org/Dew/Dew7/D7-EspeciallyThoseThatBelieve.html

God wills that all mankind be saved (1 Tim 2:4)

Operating all in accord with counsel of His will (Eph 1:11)

In Adam all dying; in Christ shall all be vivified (1 Cor 15:21-23)

It says "in Christ shall all," not "all who are in Christ."

One offense for all mankind for condemnation... (Rom 5:18-19)

Lamb of God taking away sin of the world (John 1:29)

Correspondent ransom for all (1 Tim 2:6)

Every knee bowing in the Name of Jesus (Phil 2:9; Is 45:23)


“in” is the literal Greek translation. See Young’s Literal Translation

and every tongue acclaiming that Jesus Christ is Lord.

And we know that anyone who acclaims that Jesus Christ is Lord,
especially when it is to God's glory without any hypocrisy is saved for 1Corinthians 12:3 says so.

Locks all in stubbornness; to be merciful to all (Rom 11:30-32)

All created ... to reconcile all (Col 1:16-20)

He should be tasting death for the sake of everyone (Heb 2:9)

That the world might be saved thru Him (John 3:17)

God was in Christ conciliating the world to Himself (2 Cor 5:18)

For our sins, not ours only but the whole world (1 John 2:2)



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Re: The Bible doesn't teach that God will save everyone does it?

Post  Waqar Daniel on Thu 07 Aug 2008, 9:32 am

ar friend

You are confused yourself because taking a part of the verse from the Bible may speak your way but the truth is that you are trying to prove yourself true and God a liar. Is God joking regarding Judgment Day? What is the need of Judgment Day then if everyone will be allowed in heavens? Then what is the use of following God? Then I should have all sexual pleasures that are available to me and money can buy, after all I will be forgiven. Why to live a strict life - why not to enjoy my life here? Don't you think it is a joke?

However, I will respond to the article at http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/universalism-is-not-in-the-bible.htm, I do not know who wrote that article in ignorance and twisted the meaning of the verses but I will respond to the article as I will get time.

Just answer me this small question, didn't satan tell Eve that she will not die if she disobeyed God? If your answer is YES then aren't you preaching the same thing - that whatever we will do, we will be forgiven and we will be allowed to enter the Kingdom of God? Will my disobedience and following satan will be rewarded with everlasting life with Heavenly Father?

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The Bible doesn't teach that God will save everyone does it?

Post  Irv Everett on Thu 07 Aug 2008, 1:26 pm

Matthew 7:13 -14
Enter ye in at the strait gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction and many there be which go in thereat

Because strait is the gate and narrow is the way which leadeth unto life and few there be that find it


The problem is we only want to seek God on our terms. We want God, the way we want God, not on His terms; not with Him in control; not His will.

But the path (or narrow way) is serving God on His terms.

We, man, started all this mess; God didn’t! God did not sin in the garden; we did. God is on our side; he wants the good things for us. If He didn’t, He would have never have sent His only Son to die for us. But He did; and we have to be willing to serve Him unconditionally.


I am afraid that you are choosing to follow the crowd through the wide gate that leads to destruction!

Please notice; there are two different paths to follow and the sign over the wide gate is the same as the sign that is over the strait gate;
To Heaven Enter Here.
Don’t be deceived, strait is the gate and narrow is the way.


Are you willing to serve God unconditionally?

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Re: The Bible doesn't teach that God will save everyone does it?

Post  Waqar Daniel on Thu 07 Aug 2008, 3:04 pm

rodgertutt wrote:I'm 69, and I am acquainted with many people who are, or were in various stages of nervous breakdown over their inability to love a god who would let anyone suffer forever. Even though they have embraced Christ and His gospel, they are afraid of what God might do to them after they are raised from the dead for not being able to love Him. The information in my testimony has helped many of these people.
I was reading your article and trying to understand the philosophy you are preaching. I came to this conclusion that you want to justify actions and attitudes of people in why they suffer and what they say when they suffer.

To me the everything written in the Bible has a meaning, we read the story of Job and learn great lessons from it. Job lost everything, he lost his possessions, his family and and faced sickness and disease. What was Job's reaction?
In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly. (Job 1:22)
Even Job's wife told Job to curse God and die and this was Job's reply
Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die. But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.
For his faithful endurance in the light of such suffering, Job was greatly rewarded:
"So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning: for he had fourteen thousand sheep, and six thousand camels, and a thousand yoke of oxen, and a thousand she asses" Job 42:12.
For those who remain faithful now despite the trials, sorrows and tribulations of life their latter end will indeed be blessed abundantly in the Kingdom age. Even in death God has a purpose for allowing the righteous to die:
"The righteous perish, and no-one ponders it in his heart; devout men are taken away, and no-one understands that the righteous are taken away to be spared from evil. Those who walk uprightly enter into peace; they find rest as they lie in death." Isaiah 57:1-2
We should learn from Job's experience to maintain patient respect and trust in God even in the midst of our sufferings.

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THE ALL-IMPORTANT KEY ISSUE

Post  rodgertutt on Thu 23 Oct 2008, 7:45 pm

THE ALL-IMPORTANT KEY ISSUE

The findings of Greek scholar Louis Abbott and the other Greek scholars quoted in

chapter three and twelve of his online book IMHO renders all other arguments irrelevant.

These findings effectively close the case on the arguments that eternal tormentors

try so hard to uphold. But of course one has to actually read them to see what I mean.

Just Google up AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS and enjoy, or click on
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/index.html

The following chapter links in blue probably may be activated on this post.

  • About the Author
  • Dedication
  • Forward
  • Chapter1 - Definitions of Aion, Aionios
  • Chapter2 - Usages of Aion
  • Chapter3 - Opinion of the Scholars
  • Chapter4 - Apparent Contradictions
  • Chapter5 - "Forever and Ever" - A Poor Translation
  • Chapter6 - What Saith The Translations?
  • Chapter7 - Eonian Means What? - A Search For Truth
  • Chapter8 - Greek Tools
  • Chapter9 - Examples in Greek Literature
  • Chapter10 - Bibles Without "Everlasting Punishment"
  • Chapter11 - Verses "Proving" Punishment Will be Everlasting
  • Chapter12 - Scholars Acknowledge Restitution of All
  • Chapter13 - Punishment? Yes - Everlasting? No
  • Chapter14 - A Long, But Not Eternal Visit To "Hell"
  • Chapter15 - The "Chosen," Not "I have chosen"
  • Chapter16 - Clearing Things Up
  • Chapter17 - The Complete Revelation
  • Appendix 1 - Commentary of Previous Presentation
  • Appendix 2 - Do You Believe ALL in the Bible?
  • Appendix 3 - Reconciliation Scriptures
  • Appendix 4 - What Pleases the Father?
  • Appendix 5 - What if we are Wrong?
  • Christian Biblical Universalism versus Annihilation http://www.tentmaker.org/books/EternalDeath.html
  • Bible Threatenings Explained http://www.tentmaker.org/books/BibleThreateningsExplained.html
  • Universal Salvation University http://richardwaynegarganta.com/universalsalvation.htm

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