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Post  ChristianLady on Wed 17 Dec 2008, 3:22 pm

Dealing with atheism is actually easy to do. They don't have any
evidence for their atheism and they can't logically prove there is no God.
They can only attack the Bible and attack Christians' ideas of God.
But, if you listen to them, you can soon find that their logic has many
holes in it. It takes practice, but you can do it.
The following statements are for copying and pasting into chat rooms.
Use them to see how atheists react. Use them to learn how to respond
better to atheists. Please understand that these are not "stoppers."
But, they can be challenging to atheists. Also, see how long it takes
before they become condescending. Do not return their condescension.
Instead, ask them to give rational reasons for their positions. In
the process of interacting with them, learn how to argue with them better.

  1. Ways to Attack Atheism

    1. By asking questions

      1. Atheism is an intellectual position. What reasons
        do you have for holding that position? Your reasons are
        based upon logic, and/or evidence or lack of it. So, is
        there any reason/evidence for you holding your position that
        you defend?
      2. If you say that atheism needs no evidence or reason, then
        you are holding a position that has no evidence or rational
        basis? If so, then isn't that simply faith?
      3. If you say that atheism is supported by the lack of evidence
        for God, then it is only your opinion that there is no evidence.
        You cannot know all evidence for or against God, therefore you
        cannot say there is no evidence for God.
      4. If you say that atheism needs no evidence to support it
        because it is a position about the lack of something, then do
        you have other positions you hold based upon lack of evidence...like
        say, screaming blue ants? Do you hold the position that
        they do not exist or that you lack belief in them, too?


    2. By using logic.

      1. How do you account for the laws of logic in a universe without
        God? The Laws of logic are conceptual by nature and absolute.
        Being absolute they transcend space and time. They are
        not the properties of the physical universe (since they are
        conceptual) or of people (since people contradict each other,
        which would mean they weren't absolute). So, how do you
        account for them?

        1. This approach is a bit more complicated. If you
          use this one, first be familiar with
          The Christian Worldview,
          the Atheist Worldview, and Logic.
        2. First of all, when using logic, you should be familiar
          with basic laws of logic and logical fallacies. It
          is very useful to point out the various logical fallacies
          to atheists as they commit them. Therefore, please
          be familiar with
          Logical Fallacies or Fallacies in Argumentation)
        3. The laws of logic are conceptual by nature and are always
          true all the time everywhere. They are not physical
          properties. How do atheists account for them from
          an atheist perspective?


      2. Everything that was brought into existence was caused to
        exist. Can you have an infinite regression of causes?
        No, since to get to "now" you'd have to traverse an infinite
        past. It seems that there must be a single uncaused cause.
        Why can't that be God?
      3. Examples of logical absolutes:

        1. Examples of logical absolutes are: something cannot
          be itself and not itself at the same time (Law of non contradiction).
          A thing is what it is (Law of identity). A statement
          is either true or false (Law of excluded middle). These
          are simple, absolute logical absolutes.


      4. If atheism is true: The universe has laws. These
        laws cannot be violated. Life is a product of these laws
        and can only exists in harmony with those laws and is governed
        by them. Therefore, human thought, feelings, etc., are programmed
        responses to stimuli and the atheist cannot legitimately claim
        to have meaning in life.
      5. Human constructs?

        1. If the laws of logic are human constructs then how can
          they be absolute since humans think differently and often
          contradictorily. If they are produced from human minds,
          and human minds are mutually contradictory, then how can
          the constructs be absolute? Therefore, the laws of
          logic are not human constructs.




    3. The Universe exists

      1. The universe exists. Is it eternal or did it have
        a beginning? It could not be eternal since that would
        mean that an infinite amount of time had to be crossed to get
        to the present. But, you cannot cross an infinite amount
        of time (otherwise it wouldn't be infinite). Therefore,
        the universe had a beginning. Something cannot bring itself
        into existence. Therefore, something brought it into existence.
      2. What brought the universe into existence? It would
        have to be greater than the universe and be a sufficient cause
        to it. The Bible promotes this sufficient cause as God.
        What does atheism offer instead of God? If nothing, then
        atheism is not able to account for our own existence.
      3. The universe cannot be infinitely old or all useable energy
        would have been lost already (entropy). This has not occurred.
        Therefore, the universe is not infinitely old.
      4. Uncaused Cause

        1. Objection: If something cannot bring itself into existence,
          then God cannot exist since something had to bring God into
          existence. Answer: Not so. You cannot
          have an infinite regression of causes lest an infinity be
          crossed (which cannot happen). Therefore, there must
          be a single uncaused, cause.
        2. All things that came into existence were caused
          to exist. You cannot have an infinite regression of
          causes (otherwise an infinity of time has been crossed which
          is impossible because an infinity cannot be crossed).
          Therefore, logically, there must be a single uncaused cause
          that did not come into existence.






  2. Responding to Atheist Statements about God

    1. "I Lack of belief in a God"

      1. If you say that atheism is simply lack of belief in a god,
        then my cat is an atheist the same as the tree outside and the
        sidewalk out front, since they also lack faith. Therefore,
        your definition is insufficient.
      2. Lacking belief is a non-statement because you have been
        exposed to the concept of God and have made a decision to accept
        or reject. Therefore, you either believe there is a God
        or you do not...or you are agnostic. You cannot remain
        in a state of "lack of belief."
      3. If you lack belief in God, then why do you go around attacking
        the idea of God? If you also lack belief in invisible
        pink unicorns, why don't you go around attacking that idea?


    2. "I believe there is no God."

      1. On what basis do you believe there is no God?


    3. "I don't believe there is a God."

      1. Why don't you believe there is no God?


    4. "There is no God"

      1. You cannot logically state that there is no God because
        you cannot know all things so as to determine that there is
        no God.


    5. "There is no proof that God exists"

      1. To say "there is no proof for God's existence," is illogical
        because an atheist cannot know all things by which he could
        state that there is no proof. He can only say he has not yet
        seen a convincing proof; after all, there may be one he hasn't
        yet seen.


    6. "All of Science has never found any evidence for God"

      1. That is a subjective statement. There are many scientists
        who affirm evidence for God's existence through science.
      2. Your presupposition is that science has no evidence for
        God, but that is only an opinion.
      3. Science looks at natural phenomena through measuring, weighing,
        seeing, etc. God, by definition, is not limited to the
        universe. Therefore, it would not be expected that physical
        detection of God would be found.


    7. What is God? or Define God.

      1. God is the only Supreme Being who is unchanging, eternal,
        holy, and Trinitarian in nature. He alone possesses the
        attributes of omniscience, omnipresence, and omnipotence.
        He alone brought the universe into existence by the exertion
        of His will.


    8. Prove your God is real.

      1. I can no more prove to you that God is real than I can prove
        to you that I love my family. If you are convinced I don't
        love my family, no matter what I say or do will be dismissed
        by you as invalid. It is your presuppositions that are
        the problem, not whether or not God exists.
      2. I can no more prove to you that God is real than you can
        prove that the universe is all that exists. Your demand
        of proof precludes acknowledgement of many types of evidence...because
        your presuppositions don't allow it.
      3. The universe exists. It is not infinitely old. If
        it were it would have run out of energy long ago. Therefore,
        it had a beginning. The universe did not bring itself
        into existence. Since it was brought into existence by
        something else, I assert that God is the one who created the
        universe.

        1. When the atheist complains, ask him to logically explain
          the existence of the universe. Point out that opinions
          and guesses don't count.






  3. Responding to Atheist Statements about the Bible

    1. "The Bible is full of contradictions"

      1. Saying the Bible is full of contradictions does not mean
        it is so. Can you provide a contradiction that we can examine
        in context? There are many websites that address alleged contradictions.
        Here is one: www.carm.org.




  4. Responding to Atheist Statements about Evolution and Naturalism

    1. "Evolution is a fact"

      1. That depends on if it is micro or macro. Micro variations
        occur, but macro variations (speciation) have not been observed.
        The best we have are fossils and they have to be interpreted.
        Besides, there are plenty of gaps in the fossil record.
      2. Have you read any books that discuss the contrary evidence
        to evolution? If not, then how can you say you are educated
        enough to say it is a fact?


    2. Naturalism is true; therefore, there is no need for God.

      1. Naturalism is the belief that all phenomena can be explained
        in terms of natural causes and laws. If all things were
        explainable through natural laws, it does not mean God does
        not exist since God is, by definition, outside of natural laws
        since He is the creator of them.




  5. Responding to Atheist Statements about Truth

    1. There are no absolute truths

      1. To say there are no absolute truths is an attempt to state
        an absolute truth. If your statement is true, then it
        is self contradictory, and not true and you are wrong.
      http://carm.org




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Re: Atheism

Post  AngelicSmile on Wed 17 Dec 2008, 5:53 pm

Nice information to tackle the questions. On the other hand I must say that I do not need the feel to to ask any atheist and do not feel the need to answer any atheist.

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