Question: What do you think about womens' preaching?

**Waqar Daniel** Tue 17 Feb 2009, 6:26 pm

servant wrote:What do you believe about women preaching, do they have the right to have authority over other women. According to God’s Word, do they have the right to make post in a forum like your lovely forum or any other forum.

Bible no where stops any woman from preaching the Kingdom of God. Certainly it is totally unbiblical to say that women cannot write in forums and preach the Kingdom of God. Infact, women played a very important role along with men of God in establishing Church and preaching the Kingdom of God.

If we read the story of Deborah in the Book of Judges, Deborah served as judge and prophetess during the Reign of the Judges in the Old Testament (Judges 4). She ministered to the Israelites, both in a secular and spiritual fashion. Her story became quite famous. In short, under inspiration from the Lord, she gave Barak the guidance to free Israel from the oppression of King Jabin and his military commander, Sisera. Barak wasn't the most trusting or faithful of servants and demanded that Deborah accompany him into battle against the king. She did so, and Israel was freed through the actions of another woman.

At resurrection women were witness to resurrection. If women are not allowed to preach or witness, then we do not have proof to the First account of resurrection of Jesus Christ. Or do we have? In fact the angel tells them to go and tell others. Certainly, it was allowed by God, so it is recorded in the Bible as the women witnessed and preached that Jesus is Alive to the disciples.

When they came back from the tomb, they told all these things to the Eleven and to all the others. It was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the others with them who told this to apostles...Peter however, got up and ran to the tomb. Bending over, he saw the strips of linen lying by themselves, and he went away, wondering to himself what had happened. (Luke 24:912)

Following is the list of women, who were preaching;

DEBORAH - Judges 4:4-5. Deborah was a Judge for both civil and criminal
cases. The children of Israel came to her for judgment. She was the chief ruler
of Israel for 40 years, giving orders to the Generals and all the army. She did
the work of an evangelist, prophetess, Judge, and a preacher. God gave her
authority over the mighty (Judges 5:13).
MIRIAM - Exodus 15:20; Numbers 12:1; Micah 6:4. She was a Prophetess and a Song Leader in Israel.
HULDAH - 2 Kings 22:14. Five men went to Sister Huldah and communed with her. She spoke to a congregation of men concerning the book of the Law. A female preached to a man's congregation, and her message was taken to the nation and produced a revival.
MAHER-SHALAL-HASH-BAZ'S MOTHER - Isaiah 8:3. She was a prophetess.
Phillip had 4 daughters who prophesied. Acts 21:9.
Priscilla assisted Paul in his revival meeting and even taught Apollos in the way of the Lord more perfectly.
Phoebe - Romans 16:1-2. Paul commended Phebe to the Church at Rome and requested that they assist her in her business. She was one of Paul's assistants in the work of the Lord and delivered the Book of Romans to the people from the hand of Paul.

Conclusion
It is clear that God's spirit does guide women and they can preach and prophesy. So anyone who says that women cannot preach must read the Bible. It was witness of these women to this date and till the Second Coming of Jesus, that the words of these women will be remembered as witness and preaching. So where does Bible stop women to preach, and witness the Kingdom of God?

However, Bible does NOT allow women to act as Pastors or Elders of the Church. There is a difference between preaching and witnessing and being a Pastor and an Elder.

According to the Word of God;

"But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being quite deceived, fell into transgression," (1 Timothy 2:12-14)

Paul did not say something new here, he only reminded us about the Genesis where Eve was created as helper to Adam.

Conclusion
Women can preach and prophesy but they cannot be ordained as Pastors or Elders of a Church. As followers of Jesus Christ, we (male/female) must work as servants of God, preaching the Kingdom of God through words and actions.

I hope that the information is helpful for you to answer.

Johntheservant Tue 17 Feb 2009, 9:21 pm

I agree that the Bible says that women cannot become Pastors and Elders. Bible allows them to preach and witness. There is a reason that why women cannot become Pastors. The reason is that women get unclean and in that period a woman cannot Pastor.

lisa1880 Tue 17 Feb 2009, 9:56 pm

I do not disagree with Daniel here and he has made some very important and relevant points. If we look at the structure of a family, a woman has to bear children and look after the family and the man is the head of the family. The Bible is very clear on the role of a wife

A wife of noble character who can find?
She is worth far more than rubies.

11 Her husband has full confidence in her
and lacks nothing of value.

12 She brings him good, not harm,
all the days of her life.

13 She selects wool and flax
and works with eager hands.

14 She is like the merchant ships,
bringing her food from afar.

15 She gets up while it is still dark;
she provides food for her family
and portions for her servant girls.

16 She considers a field and buys it;
out of her earnings she plants a vineyard.

17 She sets about her work vigorously;
her arms are strong for her tasks.

18 She sees that her trading is profitable,
and her lamp does not go out at night.

19 In her hand she holds the distaff
and grasps the spindle with her fingers.

20 She opens her arms to the poor
and extends her hands to the needy.

21 When it snows, she has no fear for her household;
for all of them are clothed in scarlet.

22 She makes coverings for her bed;
she is clothed in fine linen and purple.

23 Her husband is respected at the city gate,
where he takes his seat among the elders of the land.

24 She makes linen garments and sells them,
and supplies the merchants with sashes.

25 She is clothed with strength and dignity;
she can laugh at the days to come.

26 She speaks with wisdom,
and faithful instruction is on her tongue.

27 She watches over the affairs of her household
and does not eat the bread of idleness.

28 Her children arise and call her blessed;
her husband also, and he praises her:

29 "Many women do noble things,
but you surpass them all."

30 Charm is deceptive, and beauty is fleeting;
but a woman who fears the LORD is to be praised.

31 Give her the reward she has earned,
and let her works bring her praise at the city gate. (Proverbs 31:10-31)

servant Wed 18 Feb 2009, 4:14 am

Thanks so much for all of your info, and Daniel, you have done a great job on your post. I love it. Thanks

**Terry L Brown** Tue 03 Mar 2009, 7:13 pm

This subject is very important and also very controversial. It affects the very foundation of the Church, the Body of Christ on earth. Feminists firmly believe the Bible places no restrictions on the roles of men and women in the home and in the church. Complementarians believe the Bible very clearly delineates the roles of men and women in the home and in the church. I won't go into detail here, but if anyone wishes to explore this subject (and I strongly encourage them to do so) a couple of websites are good sources of information. For the egalitarian (feminist) viewpoint go to www.cbeinternational.org (Christians for Biblical Equality). For the complementarian viewpoint go to www.cbmw.com (Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood).

Wayne Grudem, a research professor at Phoenix Seminary in Scottsdale, Arizona, has written an extensive, well researched book on this subject. It's format is basically a debate. An egalitarian argument is posited and Grudem answers it from a complementarian viewpoint. It is easy to read and easy to find answers to specific questions. It is entitled "Evangelical Feminism & Biblical Truth".

Again, there is perhaps no greater controversy now within the Body of Christ that has such far reaching consequences than how one understands the roles men and women are to play in the home and church.

Blessings in Christ,

Terry L. Brown

**Waqar Daniel** Tue 03 Mar 2009, 7:40 pm

Terry wrote:Again, there is perhaps no greater controversy now within the Body of Christ that has such far reaching consequences than how one understands the roles men and women are to play in the home and church.

Thank you Terry for the links and I will surely go through these websites. I have been to some that propagate feminist view very fervently. Like Joyce Meyers said, "Paul meant it for that time and it is not applicable in this modern world".

There is no distinction in case of Salvation, women, men, eunuchs all qualify for salvation according to John 3:16 and we read about an eunuch who was baptized by Philip in ACTS 8.

I do not think the topic is controversial, I think and believe that if we do not justify ourselves over the will and commands of God, then there is no controversy and confusion. The Bible is very clear on this stance from the Book of Genesis.

It is nice to hear from you after a long time.

**Terry L Brown** Wed 04 Mar 2009, 12:06 am

The controvery arises because feminist do not like the concept of authority and submission. You are right, Daniel, the Bible is clear on the subject, 1 Timothy 2:11-12 causing the most aggravation for the feminists: "A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet" (NASU). They don't like this and go to great lengths to make it mean something else.

In fact the controversy is so great some of the newer English translations of the Bible are neutering the masculine language in it. The words "he", "him", "his", "son" and so on are being replaced with plural words such as "them", "they", and "those". Some examples of such translations are the New Revised Standard Version, the New Living Translation, and most recently Today's New International Version. So far none of these translations have "demasculinized" God the Father, but it's coming. The term "Mother" is being heard more and more in some denominations.

The spirit behind this is satanic and dangerous. Go to the websites I mentioned. Read some the literature there. It just may surprise you.

Blessings in Christ,

Terry L. Brown

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