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Post  derprinz on Sat 30 May 2009, 5:24 pm

Bibliolaters claim that the Bible is
inerrant in every detail, in matters of history, science, geography,
chronology, etc., as well as faith and practice. It is a claim that has
won wide acceptance among fundamentalist Christians, but, as is true of
most zealotic tributes that have been paid to the Bible, it has no
basis in fact. As past articles in TSR have clearly shown to anyone who
really wants to know the truth, the Bible is riddled with mistakes.
Many of those mistakes were scientific ones.
The creation account in Genesis divided time into days and the days
into evening and morning for three days before the sun was even created
(1:1-19). “There was evening and there was morning,” we are told, “one
day… a second day… a third day,” but as any astronomer knows, evening
(night) and morning (daylight) result from the earth’s rotation with
respect to the sun. With no sun, there would have certainly been
evening or night, but there could have been no morning.
On the fourth day when God created the “two great lights” (the sun
and the moon), he created the stars too. This creation of the rest of
the universe was treated by the Genesis writer(s) as if it were little
more than an afterthought: “he made the stars also” (v:16). To the
prescientific mind that wrote this, it probably made sense. To him
(her), the earth was undoubtedly the center of the universe, but today
we know better. The solar system of which earth is only a tiny part is
itself an infinitesimal speck in the universe. Surely, then, the
creation of the stars would not have occurred so quickly and suddenly
if six days were needed to create the world. Scientists now know that
the creation of stars is an evolutionary process that is still ongoing.
Matter coalesces; stars ignite, shine, and eventually burn out or
explode. From the existence of heavy elements in our solar system,
astronomers generally agree that it formed from debris left over from a
supernova that occurred billions of years ago. The prescientific
Genesis writer knew none of this, however, and that is why he viewed
the creation of the universe as an Elohistic afterthought. No modern,
scientifically-educated writer would have made that mistake.
The creation of the stars is the subject not only of scientific
error in the Bible but also of textual contradiction. Clearly, the
Genesis writer(s) said that God made the stars on the fourth day
(1:16). By then, the earth had been created, light (somehow without the
sun or stars) had been created, the gathering together of dry land had
occurred, and vegetation had been created. One could surely say that by
then the foundations of the world had been laid, yet Yahweh Elohim
presumably told Job that the stars already existed when the foundations
of the earth were laid:
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare if
thou hast understanding. Who determined the measures thereof, if thou
knowest? Or who stretched the line upon it? Whereupon were the
foundations thereof fastened? Or who laid the cornerstone there-of,
when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted
for joy? (38:4-7).
Granted the “singing of the morning stars” is clearly a poetical
expression, but that does not explain away the problem. How could it be
said in any sense, poetical or otherwise, that “the morning stars sang
together” at a time when stars didn’t even exist? Obviously, then, the
Genesis writer(s) and the author of Job had different perceptions of
when stars were created.
The Genesis writer(s) didn’t understand the nature of darkness either.
He said that God created light (somehow before the sun and stars were
made) and then “divided the light from the darkness” (1:3-4). Light,
however, is not something that can be separated from darkness. Light is
an electromagnetic radiation from an energy source like the sun or
stars, and darkness is merely the absence of light. Without light,
there will automatically be darkness. No god is needed to separate or
divide light from darkness. We know that today; the prescientific
Genesis writer(s) didn’t.
The Genesis writer’s genetic knowledge was no better than his
understanding of astronomy. In chapter 30, he told of Jacob’s scheme to
increase his wealth while he was still in the employ of his
father-in-law Laban. The two had reached an agreement whereby Jacob
would be given all striped, spotted, and speckled lambs and kids
subsequently born in Laban’s flocks. Laban then removed all the
striped, spotted, and speckled animals from his flocks and put them in
his sons’ care at a three-day distance from the flock Jacob attended.
Not to be outsmarted, Jacob devised a plan:
Then Jacob took fresh rods of poplar and almond and plane, and
peeled white streaks in them, exposing the white of the rods. He set
the rods that he had peeled in front of the flocks in the troughs, that
is, the watering places, where the flocks came to drink. And since they
bred when they came to drink, the flocks bred in front of the rods, and
so the flocks produced young that were striped, speckled, and spotted
(30:37-39, NRSV).
The editors of The New American Bible were reputable enough to affix a frankly honest footnote to this passage:
Jacob’s stratagem was based on the widespread notion among simple
people that visual stimuli can have prenatal effects on the offspring
of breeding animals. Thus, the rods on which Jacob had whittled stripes
or bands or chevron marks were thought to cause the female goats that
looked at them to bear kids with lighter-colored marks on their dark
hair, while the gray ewes were thought to bear lambs with dark marks on
them simply by visual crossbreeding with the dark goats.
We know today that the color characteristics of animals is purely a
matter of genetics, so a modern, scientifically-educated person would
never write anything as obviously superstitious as this tale of Jacob’s
prosperity. The Genesis writer(s), however, knew nothing about the
science of genetics, so to him the story undoubtedly made good sense.
One thing the Bible definitely is not is inerrant in matters of science. (Farrell Till)

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Re: Scientific Errors in the Bible

Post  Waqar Daniel on Sat 30 May 2009, 7:57 pm

I have discussed these so-called contradictions in Science and Bible, so I do not need to repeat myself. You can look it up from there. For me, it is suffice that nowhere in the koran, the Bible is referred to as being textually corrupted. Prove it if you can.

Let us see what you are preaching to us as word of God is whether word of God or not. I am talking about Koran. Please correct me if I go wrong.

To every muslim, Koran is direct word of God with no intervention of humans or in other words Allah spoke through koran. Let us put this claim to test:

Are these the words of Allah?

Koran 1:1-7
In the name of the Merciful and Compassionate God.
Praise belongs to God,
The Lord of the worlds, the merciful, the
compassionate, the ruler of the day of
the day of judgment! Thee we serve and Thee
we ask for aid. Guide us in the right path,
the path of those Thou art gracious to;
not to those Thou art wroth with, nor of
those who err.

Koran 113:1
I take refuge with the Lord of the Dawn.

Koran 6:104
Now have come to you, from your Lord, proofs
(To open your eyes): If any will see, it will
be for (the good of) his own soul; If any will
be blind, it will be to his own (harm): I am not
(here) To watch over your doings.


Who spoke here - Allah or Muhammed?

Creation

Koran 7:54; Koran 10:3; Koran 11:7; Koran 25:29
Your guardian-Lord is Allah. Who created the heavens and the earth in SIX Days... (Koran 7:54)

Koran 41:9
Is it that ye Deny Him who created the earth in TWO days?...

Koran 41:10
He set on the (earth). Mountains standing firm,
high above it, and bestowed blessings on the
earth, and measured therein all things to
give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR days...

Koran 41:12
So He completed them as seven firmaments in TWO days and...

How long did it take Allah to create - 6 days, or 2 days, or 4 days?

How long is Allah's day?

Koran 22:47
...A day in the sight of thy Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning.

Koran 70:4
The angels and the Spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is fifty thousand years.

How long is a day in the sight of Allah - 1,000 years or 50,000 years?

Look at this amazing science in Koran

Koran 18:86
Till, when he [the traveller Zul-qarnain]
reached the setting-place of the sun,
he found it going down into a muddy spring...

Koran 18:90
Till, when he reached the rising-place of the
sun, he found it rising on a people for whom
WE had appointed no shelter from it.

I did not know that sun has a resting in a muddy spring and there also a rising place for the sun too. WOW! Amazing.

Star Wars

Koran 67:5
And We have (from of old), adorned the lowest
heaven with lamps, and we have made such
(Lamps as) missiles to drive away Satans...

Koran 37:6-8
We have indeed decked the lower heaven with
beauty (in) the stars, (for beauty) and for
guard against all obstinate rebellious Satans.
(So) they should not strain their ears in the
direction of the Exalted Assembly but be
cast away from every side.

Sun and Moon are subject to humans

Koran 37:6-8
And He has made subject to you the sun and the moon,
both diligently persuing their courses; and the
night and the day has He (also) made subject to you.

Great Science

Koran 10:5
It is He who made the sun to be a shining glory and
the moon to be a light...

Moses found Samaritans

Koran 20:85
We have tested the people in thy absence: The
Samaritan has led them astray.

Koran 20:87
...Of the whole people, and we threw them into the
fire and that was what the Samaritan suggested.

Isn't it amazing that in Koran Moses found Samaritans long before they even existed?

Gospel existed during the time of Moses

Koran 7:157
Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered
Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own
(Scriptures),- in the Taurant and the Gospel...

The above verse is in present tense and thus the obvious problem is that the Gospel was not yet revealed at that time!

There are many other contradictions in the koran that I am not mentioning here. Derprinz you boast of koran to be the word of God and say Bible has contradictions - Isn't it amazing that I found few for you to scratch your head.


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Re: Scientific Errors in the Bible

Post  derprinz on Sun 31 May 2009, 2:11 pm

u get out of the subject which is the errors in the bible and u started attacking Islam
you raised a lot of things that should be clarified for you if u don't know and for the readers
i will take it one by one
the Issue number one
Are these the words of Allah?


Koran 1:1-7
Let us look at Noble Chapter (Surah) 1:

"1. In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
2. Praise be to God, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the world;
3. Most Gracious, Most Merciful;
4. Master of the Day of Judgment.
5. Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek.
6. Show us the straight way,
7. The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not
wrath, and who go not astray."


(The Noble Quran, 1:1-7)

Allah Almighty was glorifying Himself. He was teaching us how to glorify Him.
This Noble Chapter is used in every single prayer Muslims perform. It is very important
for us to use it because in our prayers we glorify Allah Almighty. That is why He
(Allah Almighty) taught us how to glorify Him in Words and in Action (praying) so we can
always do it right!.
Koran 113:1
Say: I seek refuge in the Lord of the Daybreak

i offer u this to check before writing http://www.quranexplorer.com/Quran/Default.aspx
u cut the world say !!!
More than 200 passages in the Qur’an open with the word “qul
(say), which is an instruction to the Prophet Muhammad to address the
words following this introduction to his audience in a particular
situation, such as in reply to a question that has been raised, or as
an assertion of a matter of belief, or announcement of a legal ruling.

Koran 6:104
u clearly don't know nothing about Quran and its style
the leader of the arabic language where at the time of the prophet and they didn't say what u say
if we look at the quran from your view than also
Return unto your father and say: O our father! Lo! thy son hath stolen. We
testify only to that which we know; we are not guardians of the Unseen.
(12:81)

than Joseph wrote the Quran

this is ridiculous lol!

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Re: Scientific Errors in the Bible

Post  derprinz on Sun 31 May 2009, 2:45 pm

Creation


Lo!your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days,
then mounted He the Throne. He covereth the night with the day, which
is in haste to follow it, and hath made the sun and the moon and the
stars subservient by His command. His verily is all creation and
commandment. Blessed be Allah, the Lord of the Worlds!
(The Noble Quran,7 : 54)

Say (O Muhammad, unto the idolaters): Disbelieve ye verily in Him Who
created the earth in two Days, and ascribe ye unto Him rivals? He (and
none else) is the Lord of the Worlds.
(The Noble Quran,41 : 9)

He placed therein firm hills rising above it, and blessed it and measured
therein its sustenance in four Days, alike for (all) who ask;
(The Noble Quran, 41 :10)

So the earth was created in two days, and the mountains were created and the sustenance measured in two more days which makes a total of four

Then He ordained them seven heavens in two Days and inspired in each heaven
its mandate; and We decked the nether heaven with lamps, and rendered
it inviolable. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Knower
(The Noble Quran,41:12)

2+4=6
Allah says in the beginning of this verse (41:9) that those who exploit this information contained in this passage to raise doubts about its authenticity are equally interested in promulgating blasphemy and denying His unity. Allah is telling us that in course of time, there will emerge unbelievers who will make use of this apparent contradiction.

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Re: Scientific Errors in the Bible

Post  Waqar Daniel on Sun 31 May 2009, 9:16 pm

No I did not get out of context, you are preaching here that koran is word of God and Bible is not. So I am showing you that you are absolutely wrong. Why do you write the word "attack"? If you can write against Jesus and Bible, why can't I show you your face.

You tried to deceive us for if you look at the header of this website, it says it is a Christian online community. You came as if you were seeking knowledge and before I could read your post, some members were already explaining you. But I recognized you as a Muslim. I do not encourage Inter-faith debates and you do not find it over here. Instead of deception, you should have told us that you are a muslim and want to ask few questions as another muslim has done so on this website. I excused by saying that we do not get in to Inter-faith dialogue. I would have said the same to you.

Let me start with creation and do simple mathematics for your Allah and you. I think you both need some help here.

Koran 7:54
Your guardian-Lord is Allah. Who created the heavens and the earth in SIX Days...


Now remember it is six days as it is mentioned in Koran 7:54; Koran 10:3; Koran 11:7; Koran 25:29. Remember all these verses tell us it was six days, and you also agree to it. And you have also counted it to 6 days. Now it is my turn to count for you and Allah.

Koran 41:9
Is it that ye Deny Him who created the earth in TWO days?...

Koran 41:10
He set on the (earth). Mountains standing firm,
high above it, and bestowed blessings on the
earth, and measured therein all things to
give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR days...

Koran 41:12
So He completed them as seven firmaments in TWO days and...

Now let us count 2 (for earth) + 4 (for nourishment) + 2 (for heavens) = 8 days

See I am better at addition than you and Allah.

Are these words of Allah?
I know that all muslims use Surah Fatiha in prayers. My question was not this. My question was are these words of Allah. If you say that Allah taught you how to pray and praise then where is the word Qul (say). The verse should start with Qul (say). I will give you an example;
قُلْ هُوَ اللَّهُ أَحَدٌ (١)اللَّهُ الصَّمَدُ (٢)لَمْ يَلِدْ وَلَمْ يُولَدْ (٣)وَلَمْ يَكُن لَّهُ كُفُوًا أَحَدٌ

Qul hu Allahu Ahad, Allah-us Samad, lam yalid wa-lam yuulad, wa lam ya-kul-lahu kufu-wan aahad"

Say: He is Allah, the One! Allah, the eternally Besought of all! He begetteth not nor was begotten. And there is none comparable unto Him." (Surah Al Ikhlas 112)
This is also used in prayers and so is Surah Al Falaq 113.

Just for the sake of discussion, if I say that you are right in saying that Allah taught you how to pray then what about these words;

Koran 27:91
For me, I have been commanded to serve the
Lord of this city, Him Who has sanctified it
and to whom (Belong) all things; and I am
commanded to be of those who bow in Islam to
Allah's Will

This is no prayer, these are purely words of Muhammed where he tells that he has been commanded by Allah to serve the Lord of this city and he further says that he is commanded to be one of those who bow in Islam to Allah's will

Koran 6:104
Now have come to you, from your Lord, proofs
(To open your eyes): If any will see, it will
be for (the good of) his own soul; If any will
be blind, it will be to his own (harm): I am not
(here) To watch over your doings.

Over here your prophet tells all the world that he is not answerable for wrong doings of others or if they do good. They do it for themselves.
Derprinz wrote:u clearly don't know nothing about Quran and its style the leader of the arabic language where at the time of the prophet...
Same old excuse when muslims find themselves in difficult situations. I have heard this dialogue many times- nothing new for me. Again you are wrong, I know more than you. At least I can count.

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Re: Scientific Errors in the Bible

Post  derprinz on Sun 31 May 2009, 10:24 pm

please let me finish all the points that you raised first i only replied to 2 than i left because i had somethings to do
i return to find u interrupting in saying
Now let us count 2 (for earth) + 4 (for nourishment) + 2 (for heavens) = 8 days
See I am better at addition than you and Allah.

i already explained to you that the total is 6

the earth was created
in two days, and the mountains were created and the sustenance measured in two more days which makes a total of four
i already said that

u say 2+4+2 ooooh daniel u are adding two more
the 4 is consisted of 2 for the earth and two for (the mountains and the sustenance)

but you say 2for earth + 2for earth and 2 for mountains + 2 for heavens
see u are repeating the 2 of the earth

it's obvious that they didn't tell u how to count in school
and remember Jesus peace be upon him said Allah
he never spoke english ,he never said God



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Re: Scientific Errors in the Bible

Post  derprinz on Sun 31 May 2009, 11:32 pm

How long is Allah's day?



1) "the angels and the spirit ascend unto Him in a
day, the measure of which was fifty thousand years."
70:4


This verse refers to the ascent of angels and the spirit (meant to be
Gabriel) back to heaven after settling all matters of life in the universe.


The verse clearly said a day that "was" and
not a day that 'is', which clearly indicates that that day was in the past
(50,000 years ago).


2) "…a day relative to your God is equivalent
to a thousand years of your count."
22:47



With a few simple equations:


If 1 day (for God) = 1000 years (for man)


1 year (for God) = 1000 x 365 (for man)
= 365,000 years


50,000 years (for God) = 365,000 x 50,000 (for man)

= 18.25 billion! After more than 14
centuries, Science and
particularly Professor Jean-Claude Batelere of the "College de France"
states
that it is now a certitude that the Universe is 18 billions
years old .


The 50,000 years mentioned in verse 1 are meant to be of God's years and
not of man. This is because man was not mentioned at all in that verse, and
more importantly because the subject of the verse (creation of the universe)
is obviously a matter executed by God and not by man and, so, its description
must also be as related to God and not to man.



This becomes evident when we compare this verse to other verses that clearly
speak of years as related to man's count, like the verse:



"…on a day, the measure of which was a thousand
years of your count."
32:5





also i would like to state another miracle here check the speed of the light here http://www.speed-light.info/speed_of_light_12000.htm
because if i try to proove it here it will take some space
and i will use cos angles and addition and mathematic

12000 Lunar Orbits(12months*1000years) / Earth Day
= 299,792.458 km/s

is the speed of light for observers standing outside gravitational
fields and looking at light also traveling outside gravitational fields
how could an illiterate man who lived 1400 years ago have defined the speed of
light?

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Re: Scientific Errors in the Bible

Post  derprinz on Mon 01 Jun 2009, 12:51 am

Look at this amazing science in Koran



part 1
86. Until, when he reached ("balagha".....it
doesn't mean literal arrival. See Noble Verses 6:19, 12:22, 18:61, 18:86, 18:90,
18:93, 24:59, 28:14, 37:102, 46:15 .
"adraka" or "yudrik" mean literal arrival or
reaching )
the setting
of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water
: Near it he found a People:

We said: 'O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them
with kindness.'


The sun had always risen from the east
and set in the west in a constant circular motion. To our human perspective, the sun
had always rose from the east, and set in the west, and then goes under the earth to rise
back from the east and so on.

The sun could not physically set on a
lake or Spring, because that area of water could not have
space or hole under it
where the sun would go through it to then go
under the earth so it would rise back up again from the east.


Not a single Muslim scholar interpreted
this Noble Verse as the SUN SETTING INSIDE THE Murky spring water

If the verses were to be taken literally,
then the sun would have to set in the west, and would have to then rise back from the
west, and then set in the east and then rise back from the east and so on.

On the contrary the Muslim scholars were
the first to recognize earth as a spherical globe.


"GOD
of the two Easts, and GOD of the
two Wests.
(The
Noble Quran, 55:17)
"
it is
important to know when the sun
rises on one half of the earth, it is at the same time setting on the
other half, and when
it sets on one half of the earth, it is at the same time rising on the
other half. This
clearly means that the earth literally has two sun rising points (mashriqayn)
and two sun setting points (maghribayn)!


part 2Till, when he reached the rising-place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter therefrom (The Noble Quran,18 :90)Notice in Noble Verse 18:90, Allah Almighty said "matliaaa alshshamsi" AND NOT "mashriqa alshshamsi". This
is very important because the Arabic words "sharq" and "gharb" which
mean "east" and "west" respectively, are the root words for the sun's
rising "mashriq alshams" and sun setting "maghrib alshams".
"Mashriq" is derived from "sharq" and "maghrib" is derived
from "gharb".
While "maghrib" was used in Noble Verse 18:86, but "mashriq" was never in
Noble Verse 18:90! The word "matliaaa" was used instead. Like
"balagha" (reached) as clearly proven below, "matliaaa" IS
NOT a literal.
It is metaphoric.
The reason it is metaphoric is because this word is precisely used when good news or major
events occur. For instance, when Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, arrived to the
city of Madina, the Muslims there sang the famous song
"Talaaa al-badru aalyna",
which means
"The full moon has come up above
us"


We must also know that since the sun rises upon all of the
nations and tribes of this earth, as this was a known fact 1500 years ago,
then one does not necessarily have to physically be near the physical location where the
sun rises (going along with the flat-earth theory). So "mashriq" wouldn't
be suitable here, because it would mean that Dhul-Qarnayn went all the way to the far east
after he was in the far west

The fact that Allah Almighty never used the word
"mashriq" instead of "matliaaa" proves:


- Dhul-Qarnayn did not go to the "ends of the earth".

- Allah Almighty specifically made it clear that Dhul-Qarnayn did not
go to the far west where the sun sets and then went to the far east where the sun rises,
since the word "mashriq" was never used in the Noble Verses.


- Allah Almighty did use in OTHER Noble Verses "mashriq"
and "sharq" when referring to places located in the east, and to the rising of
the sun, in the Noble Quran.

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Re: Scientific Errors in the Bible

Post  derprinz on Mon 01 Jun 2009, 1:03 am

Star Wars


How fast do stars move ?

In the Milky Way, stars can move as fast as 500 kilometers per second
if they live in the halo, or in the nuclear regions of the Milky Way, or
as slowly as a few kilometers per second if they live in globular clusters.
Of course, all motion is relative so we have to specify what our local
standard of rest is. For the halo/core stars we can choose
the core of the Milky Way,
for globular clusters it is the center of mass of the cluster. Our own Sun
is moving through space at about 30 kilometers per second in the direction
of the star Vega. Of course, the entire solar system is moving with this
same speed and direction so we experience nothing out of the ordinary except
that astronomers notice a small but systematic parallax due to the solar
motion. In 10 years, the sun's motion towards Vega amounts to about 900
million kilometers. The corresponding
parallactic angular shift can be seen in the positions of nearby stars.
Dr. Sten Odenwald. NASA Astronomer

http://www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/q181.html
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=378

Shocked Shocked Shocked

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Re: Scientific Errors in the Bible

Post  derprinz on Mon 01 Jun 2009, 1:52 am

Sun and Moon are subject to humans


the verse isn't 37:6-8 please check before u write it is verse 14:33

"And maketh the sun and the moon, constant in their courses, to be of
service unto you, and hath made of service unto you the night and the
day.
"(The Noble Quran,14 : 33)
let we see u living without sun or moon !!!!!!



It is stressed in the Qur'an that the Sun and Moon follow specific trajectories:
"It is He Who created night and day and the Sun and Moon, each one swimming in a sphere." (Qur'an, 21:33)
The word "swim" in the above verse is expressed in Arabic by the word
"sabaha" and is used to describe the movement of the Sun in space. The
word means that the Sun does not move randomly through space but that
it rotates around its axis and follows a course as it does so. The fact
that the Sun is not fixed in position but rather follows a specific
trajectory is also stated in another verse:




And the Sun runs to its resting place. That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing. (Qur'an, 36:38)


These facts set out in the Qur'an were only discovered by means of
astronomical advances in our own time. According to astronomers'
calculations, the Sun moves along a path known as the Solar Apex in the
path of the star Vega at an incredible speed of 720,000 kmph (447,000
mph). In rough terms, this shows that the Sun traverses some 17.28
million km (10.74 million miles) a day. As well as the Sun itself, all
the planets and satellites within its gravitational field also travel
the same distance.

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Re: Scientific Errors in the Bible

Post  derprinz on Mon 01 Jun 2009, 3:10 am

Great Science


"He it is Who appointed the sun a splendour and the moon a light, and
measured for her stages, that ye might know the number of the years,
and the reckoning. Allah created not (all) that save in truth. He
detaileth the revelations for people who have knowledge
"
(Noble Quran, 10:5)

We find in Tafsir (interpretation of) Ibn Kahir
He created the night with its darkness and the day with its light,
and they alternate without ceasing.

And He created the sun with its shining light, and the moon with
its reflected light.
and He allotted their stages and
gave them separate orbits in the heavens."

http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=41&tid=46752

So why would Ibn Kathir come up with this statement, many
centuries before man discovered that the earth was spherical and
that the moon does indeed reflect the sun's light
? Well,
according to
1. Lisan Al-Arab dictionary [1] , Book 3, Pages
805, 808.

2. Al-Muheet dictionary [2], Page 454.
3. Al-Muajam Al-Waseet dictionary [3], Page 962.
4. Al-Mawrid dictionary Arabic-English section
[4], Page 1196.

5. Arabic-English dictionary the Hans Wehr
dictionary [6], Page 1008, 1009.


Transliteration:
[10:005] Huwa allathee jaAAala alshshamsa diyaan
waalqamara nooran waqaddarahu manazila litaAAlamoo
AAadada alssineena waalhisaba ma khalaqa Allahu thalika
illa bialhaqqi yufassilu al-ayati liqawmin yaAAlamoona

(noor): (bayyan)
reveal, reflect.
(istanaara
bihi):
(istamadda shu'aaa'uh) was supplied by its light.
(anaara al-makaan): (wada'aa feehi
al-noor) Put light into it, or reflected light off of
it
.
(nawwarat al-shajarah wa anaarat aydan):
(akhrajat
nooraha) The plant reflected the light off of itself, or it
showed the light off of itself
. However, plants, as we
know, are not a source of light.
(anaara al-nabtu): (tha-hara wa
hasan) the plant was revealed well from light.


نور


(noor): be revealed, to be lighted,
to receive light
.

So clearly, when Allah Almighty Said that the sun is

(diyaa'a), a source of light, and the moon a


, then clearly the moon:

1-
Is reflecting to light, because it is
(was supplied
by light), as this is the meaning of
, which is derived
from the root word
noor.
2- Is reflecting to light,
because it is (was revealed well from light) , as this is the meaning of
anara , as in anara al bayt.
3- Is reflecting to light,
because
it receives light from the sun
and
it is lighted and revealed by it.
So which light is the moon reflecting? It is reflecting
to the sun's

(diyaa'a). Again,



, and the moon is the noor نورا
to that diyaa'


ضياء of the sun!

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Re: Scientific Errors in the Bible

Post  derprinz on Mon 01 Jun 2009, 4:19 am

Moses found Samaritans

and now u base your claim to a comparison between the bible and the quran to proove it is wrong !!!!!!!!!! Bang Head !!!!!!!!!!


i will answer this anyway

He said: Lo! We have tried thy folk in thine absence, and As-Samiri hath misled them. (85) Then Moses went back unto his folk, angry and sad. He said: O my people! Hath not your Lord promised you a fair promise? Did the time appointed
then appear too long for you, or did ye wish that wrath from your Lord
should come upon you, that ye broke tryst with me? (86) They
said: We broke not tryst with thee of our own will, but we were laden
with burdens of ornaments of the folk, then cast them (in the fire),
for thus As-Samiri proposed (87) (The Noble Quran ; 20:85-87)

Until the middle of the 20th century it was commonly believed that
the Samaritans originated from a mixed race people living in Samaria at
the time of the Assyrian conquest (722 BCE). In a similar vein, the
Christian missionaries and apologists have claimed that the Samaritans
as a distinct people only emerged after the exile of the northern
kingdom of Israel and the resettlement of the area under king Sargon II
after 722 BCE. Based solely on the evidence of II Kings 17, the
missionaries and apologists claim the Qur'anic mention of the name al-Samiri sometimes translated as "the Samaritan" (Qur'an 20:85, 87 and 95) during the time of Moses is a historical contradiction.
Contrary to the claims of the missionaries and apologists, specialists in Samaritan
studies have noted that the use of the term shomronim in II Kings 17
tells us nothing about the origins of the Samaritans. Shomronim means
the "inhabitants of Samaria" and it has nothing to do with shamerin,
"keepers" or "observers" of the Torah, which the Samaritans use for
themselves. Furthermore, the narrative in II Kings 17:18-24 claiming
that the population of Israel in its totality was deported by Assyrians
and exchanged to an alien population is unsupported by archaeology.
This historical discrepancy severely undermines the veracity of the
biblical claim concerning Samaritan origins. Consequently, modern
scholars have conclusively rejected II Kings 17 as a source for the
origins of Samaritans.
In recent years, research based on a more careful study of the Chronicles of
the Samaritans has led to a re-evaluation of their origins. Specifically, with
the publication of the Samaritan Chronicle II (Sefer ha-Yamim), the fullest
Samaritan version of their own history became available. A historical analysis
of this chronicle reveals that the Samaritans are the direct descendants of
the Joseph tribes, Ephraim and Manasseh, and until the 17th century C.E. they
possessed a high priesthood descending directly from Aaron through Eleazar and
Phinehas. The common ancestry of both the Jews and Samaritans was also established
by recent genetic studies, going back to cohen or the Jewish priestly
family. This study also validated both local and foreign origins of the Samaritans.
The missionaries and apologists, ignorant of the Samaritans' own
version of their history as well as recent scholarly investigation and
critical analysis, content themselves with repeating the claim made by
William St. Clair Tisdall. Unfortunately, Tisdall was also not fully
cognizant with the Chronicles of the Samaritans or the extant
archaeological evidence; consequently, the missionaries and apologists
make claims contrary to recent historical investigation. As we observed
in this study, the Qur'anic mention of the name al-Samiri
sometimes translated as "the Samaritan" (Qur'an 20:85, 87 and 95) is
consistent with modern investigations into the origins of the Samaritan
sect.
And Allah knows best!

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Re: Scientific Errors in the Bible

Post  derprinz on Mon 01 Jun 2009, 4:42 am

Gospel existed during the time of Moses


We must first of all know that the entire Bible is corrupted and
unreliable and is mostly filled with man-made laws and corruption! GOD Almighty
Said:
"`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise,
for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has
handled it falsely?'
(From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:Cool"


The Revised Standard Version makes it even
clearer:
"How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of
the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it
into a lie
.
(From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah
8:Cool
"


In either translation, we clearly see that
the Jews had so much corrupted the Bible with their man-made cultural laws, that they had
turned the Bible into a lie!



See Also Deuteronomy
31:25-29
where Moses peace be upon him predicted the
corruption/tampering of the Law (Bible) after his death.


Those
who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write,
whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are)
with them. He will enjoin on them that which is right and forbid them
that which is wrong. He will make lawful for them all good things and
prohibit for them only the foul; and he will relieve them of their
burden and the fetters that they used to wear. Then those who believe
in him, and honour him, and help him, and follow the light which is
sent down with him: they are the successful (The Noble Quran 7:157)

The Noble Quran came to CONFIRM the Truth that exists in the
Bible. Allah Almighty NEVER claimed that the bible is fully
and 100% Divine. Islam is a witness on the Bible. It filters out the truth
from falsehood and corruption in the Bible. The
Noble Quran only recognizes the Bible as a HISTORY BOOK with errors and man's alteration
in it.
Anything that agrees 100% with Islam is valid, and
anything else that has even the slightest disagreement with Islam is discarded

Allah Almighty commanded the Jews and Christians to rule among themselves according to
the Bible only in the social and domestic disputes. This was when Islam was partial
and its Laws were not yet complete. The following Hadith further proves this:


Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: "The Jews came to Allah's
Apostle and told him that a man and a woman from amongst them had committed illegal sexual
intercourse. Allah's Apostle said to them, "What do you find in the Torah
(old Testament) about the legal punishment of Ar-Rajm (stoning)?
"
They
replied, (But) we announce their crime and lash them." Abdullah bin Salam said,
"You are telling a lie; Torah contains the order of Rajm." They brought and
opened the Torah and one of them solaced his hand on the Verse of Rajm and read the verses
preceding and following it. Abdullah bin Salam said to him, "Lift your hand."
When he lifted his hand, the Verse of Rajm was written there. They said, "Muhammad
has told the truth; the Torah has the Verse of Rajm. The Prophet then gave the order that
both of them should be stoned to death. ('Abdullah bin 'Umar said, "I saw the man
leaning over the woman to shelter her from the stones."
(Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Virtues and Merits of the Prophet (pbuh)
and his Companions, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 829)
"


But after Islam became complete, there was no reason for them to continue following the
Bible: ".....This day those who reject faith given up all
hope of your religion: Yet fear them not But fear Me (Allah). This
day have I (Allah) perfected your religion for you
, completed my favour upon
you, and have chosen for you Islam as your (complete) religion....
(The Noble Quran, 5:3)"

Some Christians believe that the Bible was documented 150 years after
Jesus. Others believe it took 300 years. In either case, the gap is too big
and no Christian can guarantee accuracy. That is why you read in their current books
and Gospels things such as "And Jesus said to
Matthew....."
instead of "And Jesus said to me
[Matthew]...."
and so on.
i will open a subject to proove the bible is corrupted if u want lol!

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Re: Scientific Errors in the Bible

Post  derprinz on Mon 01 Jun 2009, 4:46 am

Will they not then ponder on the Qur'an? If it had been from other than Allah they would have found therein much incongruity (The Noble Quran,4:82)

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Re: Scientific Errors in the Bible

Post  Waqar Daniel on Mon 01 Jun 2009, 9:04 pm



I do not have time to answer your so many replies, but I will in a day or so but I would like to reply the last and referece from Koran 4:82, look at this:

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 61, Number 509: Narrated Zaid bin Thabit:
Abu Bakr As-Siddiq sent for me when the people of Yamama had been killed (i.e., a number of the Prophet's Companions who fought against Musailama). (I went to him) and found 'Umar bin Al-Khattab sitting with him. Abu Bakr then said (to me), "Umar has come to me and said: "Casualties were heavy among the Qurra' of the Quran (i.e. those who knew the Quran by heart) on the day of the Battle of Yamama and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra' on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Quran may be lost. Therefore I suggest, you (Abu Bakr) order that the Quran be collected." I said to 'Umar, "How can you do something which Allah's Apostle did not do?" 'Umar said, "By Allah, that is a good project. "Umar kept on urging me to accept his proposal till Allah opened my chest for it and I began to realize the good in the idea which 'Umar had realized." Then Abu Bakr said (to me). 'You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah's Apostle. So you should search for (the fragmentary scripts of) the Quran and collect it in one book)." By Allah If they had ordered me to shift one of the mountains, it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to collect the Quran. Then I said to Abu Bakr, "How will you do something which Allah's Apostle did not do?" Abu Bakr replied, "By Allah, it is a good project." Abu Bakr kept on urging me to accept his idea until Allah opened my chest for what He had opened the chests of Abu Bakr and 'Umar. So I started looking for the Quran and collecting it from (what was written on) palmed stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, till I found the last Verse of Surat At-Tauba (Repentance) with Abi Khuzaima Al-Ansari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. The Verse is: 'Verily there has come unto you an Apostle (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty... (till the end of Surat-Baraa' (At-Tauba) (9.128-129) Then the complete manuscripts (copy) of the Quran remained with Abu Bakr till he died, then with 'Umar till the end of his life, and then with Hafsa, the daughter of 'Umar.

Now check your own prophet's words
Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 41, Number 601: Narrated 'Umar bin Al-Khattab:
I heard Hisham bin Hakim bin Hizam reciting Surat-al-Furqan in a way different to that of mine. Allah's Apostle had taught it to me (in a different way). So, I was about to quarrel with him (during the prayer) but I waited till he finished, then I tied his garment round his neck and seized him by it and brought him to Allah's Apostle and said, "I have heard him reciting Surat-al-Furqan in a way different to the way you taught it to me." The Prophet ordered me to release him and asked Hisham to recite it. When he recited it, Allah s Apostle said, "It was revealed in this way." He then asked me to recite it. When I recited it, he said, "It was revealed in this way. The Quran has been revealed in seven different ways, so recite it in the way that is easier for you."

Your claim is false on koran that it is genuine and divine. I hope that you will not call these two hadiths false.

Regarding the creation, I will count again for when I will write the answer. Why are you avoiding my question: Are these Allah's or Muhammed's words?

You never never answered and to refresh your memory let me quote again;

Koran 27:91
For me, I have been commanded to serve the
Lord of this city, Him Who has sanctified it
and to whom (Belong) all things; and I am
commanded to be of those who bow in Islam to
Allah's Will

This is no prayer, these are purely words of Muhammed where he tells that he has been commanded by Allah to serve the Lord of this city and he further says that he is commanded to be one of those who bow in Islam to Allah's will

Koran 6:104
Now have come to you, from your Lord, proofs
(To open your eyes): If any will see, it will
be for (the good of) his own soul; If any will
be blind, it will be to his own (harm): I am not
(here) To watch over your doings.

_________________


Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the LORD Jesus Christ. (Philemon 1:3)


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Re: Scientific Errors in the Bible

Post  blessed4ever on Mon 01 Jun 2009, 10:11 pm

Even I can count and I counted 8 days and I do not know how he makes it 6 days. The verses Daniel has quoted are in chronological order and are from same chapter.

Koran 41:9
Is it that ye Deny Him who created the earth in TWO days?...

Koran 41:10
He set on the (earth). Mountains standing firm,
high above it, and bestowed blessings on the
earth, and measured therein all things to
give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR days...

Koran 41:12
So He completed them as seven firmaments in TWO days and...

In verse 9 allah talks of creating earth in 2 days and in verse 10 that succeeds verse 9 talks of earth after creation, where allah puts mountains and blessings in four days. Verse 10 reads that He set on earth (now it means that earth had already been created)

So brother, your maths is too weak 2 + 4 + 2 = 8 and not 6

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Re: Scientific Errors in the Bible

Post  derprinz on Tue 02 Jun 2009, 12:47 am

what is wrong with you people
can't anybody count here
2 + 4 + 2 = 8 and not 6 i know but your problem is you should subtract 2 because your 4 contain 2for earth and 2 for mountains
He placed therein firm hills rising above it, and blessed it and measured
therein its sustenance in four Days, alike for (all) who ask;
(The Noble Quran, 41 :10)
So the earth was created in two days, and the mountains were created and the sustenance measured in two more days which makes a total of four
2+4+2 -2=6
i already said that
do i need to repeat 3 times so u understand Bang Head

let we take a look at the creation in the bible
(1:1-19). “There was evening and there was morning,” we are told, “one
day… a second day… a third day,” but as any astronomer knows, evening
(night) and morning (daylight) result from the earth’s rotation with
respect to the sun. With no sun, there would have certainly been
evening or night, but there could have been no morning.
On the fourth day when God created the “two great lights” (the sun
and the moon), he created the stars too. This creation of the rest of
the universe was treated by the Genesis writer(s) as if it were little
more than an afterthought: “he made the stars also” (v:16). To the
prescientific mind that wrote this, it probably made sense. To him
(her), the earth was undoubtedly the center of the universe, but today
we know better. The solar system of which earth is only a tiny part is
itself an infinitesimal speck in the universe.

please explain this to me i know u said that u did but please repeat it to me because i don't find it
i repeated 3 times and u don't understand i hope u do now

And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and
he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
(Genesis 2:2)

God rested !!! look what God tell us in the Quran
And verily We created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, in six Days, and naught of weariness touched Us (Quran 50:38)

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Re: Scientific Errors in the Bible

Post  derprinz on Tue 02 Jun 2009, 1:58 am

I do not have time to answer your so many replies, but I will in a day
or so but I would like to reply the last and referece from Koran 4:82,
look at this
u don't have time to answer but u have time to raise question
i am waiting dear Daniel for your replies


Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 61, Number 509: Narrated Zaid bin Thabit

"The words of Zaid may raise some confusion: How can I do something which Allah's Apostle has not done? This
doen't mean that the Qur'an was not written in the Prophet's time, but it means that that
the Qur'anic was scattered and not collected into one volume. The Prophet (pbuh) didn't
leave the complete Qur'an in a single volume for all the Ummah, because most of his
companions had memorized it and some had their own copies. So Abu Bakr (ra) feared that
the Qur'an could have been lost, and that's why he ordered for a copy to be
prepared."

Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 41, Number 601: Narrated 'Umar bin Al-Khattab:
In the Hadiths (Sayings of Prophet Muhammad) that you presented, notice that our
beloved Prophet was present. So this means that he had the opportunity to fix any
problem or error with recitation or memorization of the Noble Quran by his followers that
would've occurred.

There are no variances or missing parts in the Noble Quran. These are all false
and baseless assumptions from some anti-Islamics. The situation in the Hadiths above
was not a corruption as it might appear to you. It is a problem with dialects.
For instance, take the letter "j". Did you know that some Arabs don't
pronounce the "j"? They always pronounce it as "g" or
"ga".

Take "the" as another example. Some Arabs also don't pronounce
"the". They pronounce it as "za".

Another example, and this is an important one in my opinion, is that some Arabs used to
have a dialect which originated from Yemen, where they would add "an" at the end
of a noun. Take for instance the popular word of today "Taliban", as in
the Taliban in Afghanistan. "Taliban" is the same as the Arabic word
"Talib" which means "Student".

The Afghans today used the old Arabic dialect from Yemen which dates even older than
1400 years ago when the Noble Quran was revealed. Back then in Yemen, as I said,
they used to add the word "an" for nouns. So if they for instance wanted
to refer to a stone "sakhr (in Arabic)", then they would refer to it as
"sakhran", even though it would be written in Arabic as "sakhr".

The point is that there were 7 different dialects. The Noble Quran was originally
recited with the "Quraishi" dialect, which is the dialect that our beloved
Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him spoke.

The other dialects were later prohibited by our Prophet's disciple Uthman to keep the
recitation of the Noble Quran consistent. The words were the SAME. But the
pronunciation and the reading of them was different for the reasons I explained above and
several others, such as the punctuations in Arabic.

When Uthman, the third Caliph in Islam, compiled the Noble Quran, he did not determine
the numerical order of the Noble Chapters and the Noble Verses. The entire Noble
Quran as I said was already documented and memorized. Chapters from the Noble Quran
were recited by our Prophet peace be upon him at least 5 times a day during the Muslims'
five-daily prayers. Also, the Noble Quran was all recited during the month of
Ramadan, as it is still done today. There are other daily and weekly religious
occasions, festivals and holidays where the Noble Quran back then and still today was
recited either partially or wholly. The Muslims who perfected the memorization
of the Noble Quran back then continuously refreshed their memories through teaching
others: Muslims and non-Muslims about Islam.

So, it is beyond the shadow of the doubt that the numbering and the order of the Noble
Chapters and Verses was already determined by our Prophet peace be upon him through the
inspiration and guidance of Allah Almighty, and not by anyone else.



conclusion

The Noble Quran today is One True Perfect Divine Holy Book. It survived man's
alterations and corruptions. The Noble Quran was all documented on the spot during
Prophet Muhammad's times. The Noble Quran's numerical ordering of the Noble Verses
and Chapters were also determined Prophet Muhammad through the inspirations of Allah
Almighty. The Noble Quran was memorized and recited over and over again through the
Muslims' five-daily prayers, the Holy Month of Ramadan, and other events and occasions
where Muslims who perfected the memorization of the Noble Quran continuously refreshed
their memories through teaching others.

So, it is beyond the shadow of the doubt that the numbering and the order of the Noble
Chapters and Verses was already determined by our Prophet peace be upon him through the
inspiration and guidance of Allah Almighty, and not by anyone else.

Why are you avoiding my question: Are these Allah's or Muhammed's words?
You never never answered and to refresh your memory let me quote again;
Koran 27:91Koran 6:104
if we look at the quran from your view than also
Return unto your father and say: O our father! Lo! thy son hath stolen. We
testify only to that which we know; we are not guardians of the Unseen.
(12:81)

than Joseph wrote the Quran

u are taking verses out of context
the meaning in 27:91 is
Say I (Muhammad) am
commanded only to serve the Lord of this land which He hath hallowed,
and unto Whom all things belong. And I am commanded to be of those who
surrender (unto Him),

same for the verse 6:104
it's an order from Allah to the prophet to say to them
read the quran carefully and don't try to get it out of context lol!

if i don't love u people i won't come to this forum and i won't reply
i am only doing that because i want you to come to the truth and to be in paradise and not in Hell

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THERE ARE NO ERRORS IN THE BIBLE.

Post  crystalriver on Thu 05 Aug 2010, 5:54 am

THE MUSLIM'S ALLAH AND MUHAMMED ARE BOTH DEVIL WORSHIPPERS, AND BOTH ARE BURNING IN HELL RIGHT NOW. ANY ONE WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE IN JESUS IS A DEVIL WORSHIPPER. THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD, AND THAT IS JESUS CHRIST.
YOU ARE LOST WITH OUT JESUS. ANY ONE CAN COPY VERSES OUT OF THE BIBLE. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD (JESUS CHRIST) LIVING IN YOU, YOU CAN NOT UNDERSTAND THEM. YOU CAN NOT HEAR JESUS, BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT ONE OF HIS SHEEP. YOU CAN READ THE BIBLE AND DISCUSS IT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, BUT YOU WILL NOT UNDERSTAND IT UNTIL YOU BELIEVE IN JESUS. EVIDENTLY THERE IS A LOT OF CONFUSION IN YOUR LIFE AND IN YOUR MIND. I AM NOT YOUR ENEMY BECAUSE I TELL YOU THE TRUTH. IT IS NOT GOD'S WILL FOR ANYONE TO GO TO HELL. PEOPLE CHOOSE TO GO TO HELL, WHEN THEY DENY JESUS CHRIST. IF YOU WILL CONFESS THE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AS SAVIOUR WITH YOUR MOUTH, AND BELIEVE THAT GOD RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD, YOU WILL BE SAVED. STOP TRYING TO FIND ERRORS IN THE WORD OF GOD. THERE ARE NONE. JUST BELIEVE WHAT IT SAYS.

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THE KORAN IS A LIE FROM THE DEVIL

Post  crystalriver on Thu 05 Aug 2010, 5:57 am

YOU ARE LOST WITH OUT JESUS. ANY ONE CAN COPY VERSES OUT OF THE BIBLE. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD (JESUS CHRIST) LIVING IN YOU, YOU CAN NOT UNDERSTAND THEM. YOU CAN NOT HEAR JESUS, BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT ONE OF HIS SHEEP. YOU CAN READ THE BIBLE AND DISCUSS IT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, BUT YOU WILL NOT UNDERSTAND IT UNTIL YOU BELIEVE IN JESUS. EVIDENTLY THERE IS A LOT OF CONFUSION IN YOUR LIFE AND IN YOUR MIND. I AM NOT YOUR ENEMY BECAUSE I TELL YOU THE TRUTH. IT IS NOT GOD'S WILL FOR ANYONE TO GO TO HELL. PEOPLE CHOOSE TO GO TO HELL, WHEN THEY DENY JESUS CHRIST. IF YOU WILL CONFESS THE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AS SAVIOUR WITH YOUR MOUTH, AND BELIEVE THAT GOD RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD, YOU WILL BE SAVED. STOP TRYING TO FIND ERRORS IN THE WORD OF GOD. THERE ARE NONE. JUST BELIEVE WHAT IT SAYS.

REVEREND WILLIAM BAKER

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ALL MUSLIMS WILL BURN IN HELL

Post  crystalriver on Thu 05 Aug 2010, 6:17 am

derprinz wrote:
Gospel existed during the time of Moses

THE MUSLIM'S ALLAH AND MUHAMMED WERE DEVIL WORSHIPPERS AND BOTH ARE BURNING IN HELL RIGHT NOW. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN JESUS, YOU ARE CONDEMNED ALREADY. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN JESUS, YOU WILL BURN IN HELL FOREVER. YOU WILL BOW TO JESUS CHRIST, AND YOU WILL CONFESS THAT HE IS LORD, BUT IT MAY BE TOO LATE. YOU ARE WORSHIPPING YOUR FATHER THE DEVIL.


YOU ARE LOST WITH OUT JESUS. ANY ONE CAN COPY VERSES OUT OF THE BIBLE. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD (JESUS CHRIST) LIVING IN YOU, YOU CAN NOT UNDERSTAND THEM. YOU CAN NOT HEAR JESUS, BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT ONE OF HIS SHEEP. YOU CAN READ THE BIBLE AND DISCUSS IT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, BUT YOU WILL NOT UNDERSTAND IT UNTIL YOU BELIEVE IN JESUS. EVIDENTLY THERE IS A LOT OF CONFUSION IN YOUR LIFE AND IN YOUR MIND. I AM NOT YOUR ENEMY BECAUSE I TELL YOU THE TRUTH. IT IS NOT GOD'S WILL FOR ANYONE TO GO TO HELL. PEOPLE CHOOSE TO GO TO HELL, WHEN THEY DENY JESUS CHRIST. IF YOU WILL CONFESS THE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AS SAVIOUR WITH YOUR MOUTH, AND BELIEVE THAT GOD RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD, YOU WILL BE SAVED. STOP TRYING TO FIND ERRORS IN THE WORD OF GOD. THERE ARE NONE. JUST BELIEVE WHAT IT SAYS.
REVEREND WILLIAM BAKER






We must first of all know that the entire Bible is corrupted and
unreliable and is mostly filled with man-made laws and corruption! GOD Almighty
Said:
"`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise,
for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has
handled it falsely?'
(From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:Cool"


The Revised Standard Version makes it even
clearer:
"How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of
the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it
into a lie
.
(From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah
8:Cool
"


In either translation, we clearly see that
the Jews had so much corrupted the Bible with their man-made cultural laws, that they had
turned the Bible into a lie!



See Also Deuteronomy
31:25-29
where Moses peace be upon him predicted the
corruption/tampering of the Law (Bible) after his death.


Those
who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write,
whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are)
with them. He will enjoin on them that which is right and forbid them
that which is wrong. He will make lawful for them all good things and
prohibit for them only the foul; and he will relieve them of their
burden and the fetters that they used to wear. Then those who believe
in him, and honour him, and help him, and follow the light which is
sent down with him: they are the successful (The Noble Quran 7:157)

The Noble Quran came to CONFIRM the Truth that exists in the
Bible. Allah Almighty NEVER claimed that the bible is fully
and 100% Divine. Islam is a witness on the Bible. It filters out the truth
from falsehood and corruption in the Bible. The
Noble Quran only recognizes the Bible as a HISTORY BOOK with errors and man's alteration
in it.
Anything that agrees 100% with Islam is valid, and
anything else that has even the slightest disagreement with Islam is discarded

Allah Almighty commanded the Jews and Christians to rule among themselves according to
the Bible only in the social and domestic disputes. This was when Islam was partial
and its Laws were not yet complete. The following Hadith further proves this:


Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: "The Jews came to Allah's
Apostle and told him that a man and a woman from amongst them had committed illegal sexual
intercourse. Allah's Apostle said to them, "What do you find in the Torah
(old Testament) about the legal punishment of Ar-Rajm (stoning)?
"
They
replied, (But) we announce their crime and lash them." Abdullah bin Salam said,
"You are telling a lie; Torah contains the order of Rajm." They brought and
opened the Torah and one of them solaced his hand on the Verse of Rajm and read the verses
preceding and following it. Abdullah bin Salam said to him, "Lift your hand."
When he lifted his hand, the Verse of Rajm was written there. They said, "Muhammad
has told the truth; the Torah has the Verse of Rajm. The Prophet then gave the order that
both of them should be stoned to death. ('Abdullah bin 'Umar said, "I saw the man
leaning over the woman to shelter her from the stones."
(Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Virtues and Merits of the Prophet (pbuh)
and his Companions, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 829)
"


But after Islam became complete, there was no reason for them to continue following the
Bible: ".....This day those who reject faith given up all
hope of your religion: Yet fear them not But fear Me (Allah). This
day have I (Allah) perfected your religion for you
, completed my favour upon
you, and have chosen for you Islam as your (complete) religion....
(The Noble Quran, 5:3)"

Some Christians believe that the Bible was documented 150 years after
Jesus. Others believe it took 300 years. In either case, the gap is too big
and no Christian can guarantee accuracy. That is why you read in their current books
and Gospels things such as "And Jesus said to
Matthew....."
instead of "And Jesus said to me
[Matthew]...."
and so on.
i will open a subject to proove the bible is corrupted if u want lol!

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THE DEVIL WROTE THE KORAN.

Post  crystalriver on Thu 05 Aug 2010, 6:22 am

THE MUSLIM'S ALLAH AND MUHAMMED WERE DEVIL WORSHIPPERS AND BOTH ARE BURNING IN HELL RIGHT NOW. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN JESUS, YOU ARE CONDEMNED ALREADY. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN JESUS, YOU WILL BURN IN HELL FOREVER. YOU WILL BOW TO JESUS CHRIST, AND YOU WILL CONFESS THAT HE IS LORD, BUT IT MAY BE TOO LATE. YOU ARE WORSHIPPING YOUR FATHER THE DEVIL.

YOU ARE LOST WITH OUT JESUS. ANY ONE CAN COPY VERSES OUT OF THE BIBLE. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD (JESUS CHRIST) LIVING IN YOU, YOU CAN NOT UNDERSTAND THEM. YOU CAN NOT HEAR JESUS, BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT ONE OF HIS SHEEP. YOU CAN READ THE BIBLE AND DISCUSS IT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, BUT YOU WILL NOT UNDERSTAND IT UNTIL YOU BELIEVE IN JESUS. EVIDENTLY THERE IS A LOT OF CONFUSION IN YOUR LIFE AND IN YOUR MIND. I AM NOT YOUR ENEMY BECAUSE I TELL YOU THE TRUTH. IT IS NOT GOD'S WILL FOR ANYONE TO GO TO HELL. PEOPLE CHOOSE TO GO TO HELL, WHEN THEY DENY JESUS CHRIST. IF YOU WILL CONFESS THE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AS SAVIOUR WITH YOUR MOUTH, AND BELIEVE THAT GOD RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD, YOU WILL BE SAVED. STOP TRYING TO FIND ERRORS IN THE WORD OF GOD. THERE ARE NONE. JUST BELIEVE WHAT IT SAYS.
REVEREND WILLIAM BAKER


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science and the Bible's accuracy

Post  hannielebed on Tue 08 Mar 2011, 6:17 pm

I'm not going to talk about Islam or the Quran. I'm strictly going to talk about science and Biblical accuracy. Please do not distract me by getting off subject with me.

Have you ever tried to explain electricity to little children. They cannot understand because they are still dealing with basic concepts like, "I have ten toes." God is so infinitely wiser than us that when he speaks to us, he often times has to dumb down his speech to speak on our level. This is especially true when he gave the Bible to ancient humans thousands of years before the scientific revolution. So the Bible does not say, "two up quarks at +2/3 charge combine with one down quark at -1/3 charge to form a proton at +1 charge." But God does know subatomic molecular physics and the only reason he didn't record it in the Bible is because thousands of years ago, no one would have understood what he was talking about. Even today, few people understand subatomic molecular physics.

Can we look to the Bible for good scientific explanations and facts? No. But this is not because God was dumb. This is because God was talking to dumb humans and had to explain concepts in terms that we dumb humans could understand. Besides, whether we understand subatomic molecular physics or not is a low priority in God's eyes. He devoted much more of the Bible to teaching us dumb humans about how to get along with each other, how our actions have consequences, how we often cause harm to each other and to ourselves, and how much God wishes we would understand concepts like love, justice, and self-control. So God gave us very little science in the Bible. BUT, what science He did include, when understood through the context of ancient cultures, is accurate.

Does the Bible have errors? Well the human brain has errors. Any linguists can tell you that all human languages have flaws and that when something is lost in translation from one language into another, it is nearly always because of a flaw in one of the languages. So simply because the Bible is in a human language, written so that human brains can comprehend it, that means that the Bible has errors. BUT, the Bible is perfect in the way it endures errors in human language and human thinking in order to most effectively communicate the Gospel.

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