Christian Talk
Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

Whom should we obey: God or Rulers?

5 posters

Go down

Whom should we obey: God or Rulers? Empty Whom should we obey: God or Rulers?

Post  LivinginChrist Thu 19 Feb 2009, 5:33 am

Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.

2 Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation...(Romans 13:1-2)
My question is that should we obey laws of government, if they oppose the Biblical teachings - like if government legitimize abortion, allows same sex marriage, allows universalism, allows mercy killings, do we have to obey them because Paul tells us that if we disagree, we disagree with God and will be condemned?

I am little confused here, how can we obey what is against God and His commandments? Any thoughts?
LivinginChrist
LivinginChrist
Christian Talk Member

Mood : I feel Blessed
Male

Number of posts : 92
Age : 43
Location : South Africa
Registration date : 2007-07-16
Points : 30633
Reputation : 2
Country : Whom should we obey: God or Rulers? RedCross-1

Warning : Whom should we obey: God or Rulers? 110

Back to top Go down

Whom should we obey: God or Rulers? Empty Re: Whom should we obey: God or Rulers?

Post  ChristianLady Thu 19 Feb 2009, 9:10 am

It means that when are in Jesus we are peace loving citizens and may not get into unwanted trouble. The answer to your question is NO.
ChristianLady
ChristianLady
Christian Talk Member

Mood : I feel Blessed
Female

Number of posts : 238
Age : 53
Location : USA
Registration date : 2007-07-16
Points : 30726
Reputation : 11
Country : Whom should we obey: God or Rulers? RedCross-1

Warning : Whom should we obey: God or Rulers? 110

Back to top Go down

Whom should we obey: God or Rulers? Empty Re: Whom should we obey: God or Rulers?

Post  Waqar Daniel Thu 19 Feb 2009, 9:47 am

Nearly in all the countries of the world, murder is not allowed, so is rape, stealing things from others is not allowed and many such laws that coming directly from the Ten Commandments. In Many countries, where Christianity is not followed, those Laws are acceptable that does not make a believer in sin. Therefore, as Paul said, we need to respect authorities and live in peace. He did not tell us to live in sin but he said to live in peace.

However, some countries allow, living with partners, but many don't live an unholy life. Some boast of their tattoos yet many live a Christian life without tattoos. If a rule is passed where abortion is legalized, so a Christian always have an option, not to follow it. If same sex marriage is allowed, then people who do not fear God will get into this contract, yet some will live happily as Christians.

Therefore, I do not find any connection or relevance of the question to the verse you have mentioned. You always have an option to live a holy life. I simply do not find it confusing.

However, God has told us in the Bible, not to take the "Mark of the Beast". It means, that we are not to follow any Law that will put us to death. Moreover, lust is sin, having illicit relations with a man or woman is not allowed. So basically, we say "no" to many things that are happening around us.

Conclusion

Paul asked people not to rebel against the authorities and try to take over the authorities with power. Our power does not lie in weapons, suicide bombers and intrigues. Our power comes from Almighty God from whose word everything was created. Paul never said something contrary to Bible;
Keep your tongue from evil
and your lips from speaking lies
Turn from evil and do good;
seek peace and pursue it (Psalms 34:13)
God has made it very clear in the Bible, we are not to follow evil, whether we are attracted to it or forced to it.
Waqar Daniel
Waqar Daniel
Administrator

Mood : I feel Blessed
Male

Number of posts : 2778
Age : 53
Location : The Kingdom of Heavenly Father
Profession : Consultant
Hobbies : Long drives, Gospel music, Bible study
Marital Status : Married
Registration date : 2007-06-25
Points : 32583
Reputation : 42
Country : Whom should we obey: God or Rulers? RedCross-1

Warning : Whom should we obey: God or Rulers? 110

https://christian-talk.forumotion.com

Back to top Go down

Whom should we obey: God or Rulers? Empty Re: Whom should we obey: God or Rulers?

Post  saved Fri 20 Feb 2009, 5:52 am

It is the choice we make on daily basis, what to follow. I agree that we can always choose to follow God instead of following some evil law. The choice is always there and must not get confused.
saved
saved
Christian Talk Member

Mood : I feel Blessed
Male

Number of posts : 55
Age : 38
Location : UK
Registration date : 2007-07-15
Points : 30625
Reputation : 0
Country : Whom should we obey: God or Rulers? RedCross-1

Warning : Whom should we obey: God or Rulers? 110

Back to top Go down

Whom should we obey: God or Rulers? Empty secular law or Bible

Post  hannielebed Tue 08 Mar 2011, 7:59 pm

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23
It is highly unlikely that any government will pass a law that contradicts the Bible. Governments may pass additional laws that are not in the Bible but so long as these additional laws do not contradict the Bible, we are to obey the laws of the governments. We are to pay our taxes.

In the Bible, there are a few stories in which the government contradicted the will of God. Daniel was forbidden to pray. These stories illustrate how we are to act when governments contradict Christianity. Daniel did not lead a rebellion. He did not openly defy the government. He simply kept on praying despite the law against him and he trusted God to protect him.
hannielebed
hannielebed
Christian Talk Member

Mood : Amused
Male

Number of posts : 29
Age : 54
Location : Boise, ID
Marital Status : Divorcee
Registration date : 2011-03-08
Points : 23984
Reputation : 0
Country : Whom should we obey: God or Rulers? Australia

Warning : Whom should we obey: God or Rulers? 110

Back to top Go down

Whom should we obey: God or Rulers? Empty Re: Whom should we obey: God or Rulers?

Post  Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Back to top

- Similar topics

 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum