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Post  Guest on Sun 18 Nov 2007, 9:27 pm

Does anybody here believe that it is okay to be a Christian and a Mason at the same time. Lee


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Post  Waqar Daniel on Sun 18 Nov 2007, 9:31 pm

I think no one believes that Free Masonry is Christianity. Christianity basically reveals who Jesus Christ is and Jesus Christ reveals who Heavenly Father is.

Other than what Bible teaches is from satan.

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Christianity and Masonry part 2

Post  Guest on Sun 18 Nov 2007, 11:48 pm

Hi My brother. I thought you might enjoy my new letter I just wrote on Masons. I tried to make it educational. I wanted for all Christians to be on guard against such false teachings. Here it is




Christianity and Masonry





There are many People who
believe that Masonry is just another denomination of Christianity. I read a
book called fast facts on false teachings by Ron Carlson and Ed. Decker. In it,
it says {The more we studied Masonry, the more we realized the depth of its
satanic hold over those within its “strong Grip.” Within the pages of the
hundreds of Masonic books and secret ritual manuals we have gathered and read
in our research is a tragic story of godly men who have succumbed to the snare
of the enemy. They have brought the darkest side of Ball worship into their
homes and congregations. Since we have been speaking on this subject, we have
seen thousands of Masons who have literally fled the Lodge once they have had
that mask of deceit removed. In fact, we have seen whole churches repent. Ron
Carlson was speaking at one of the largest churches in South
Texas. Before he got up to speak on Sunday morning, some of the
elders of the church had noticed his tape on Masonry and came to the Pastor’s
office. They said to him, “ Why are we allowing this person to speak? Ron found
out that the Sunday school superintendent was the Worshipful Master of the Lodge
in town. The chairman of the church was the Supreme Potentate of the Shrine,
and many of the elder4s were Masons. When they7 confronted Ron, he responded,
“Everything I share on this tape is documented from your own Masonic authority,
as you will hear tonight. If you have a problem with what I say, it’s not with
me, It’s with your own Masonic leaders .”
These leaders took the tape back to their Masonic Lodge on Sunday night.
They spent till four in the morning going through the documentation from their
own Masonic library. On Monday morning they came back and said, “Ron, We did
not realize what we were involved with.”


Ed has had similar
experiences. In one Church in Florida,
the Masons in the church threatened the pastor with harm if he allowed Ed to
speak. {The Church was heavily populated with Masons. They let the pastor know
that Ed was in serious physical danger, and the church office was receiving
threatening phone calls. In the Sunday morning service Ed spoke on Freemasonry
the night. Both Ed and the pastor were physi9cally shoved about in the hallway
after the service. Things were very tense, but the pastor, a Godly man, was
determined to deal with Freemasonry that night. Near the end of the evening
service Ed had an altar call for those who wanted to renounce Freemasonry and
get right with the Lord in the matter. Many Masons came forward, and many
didn’t. But Ed will never forget the
words of the pastor to his congregation later, at the end of that service.
Speaking directly to the Masons in the congregation, he said, “Dear brothers, I
must tell you that I was give you one week to repent and leave Freemasonry or
leave this church. If you refuse to do either, we will remove you name from the
rolls next Sunday. If you think you can remove me, then have a business meeting
and vote me out if you can, for I will not be a pastor of a church that has
allowed Freemasonry to take root within it.” A large number of his congregation
did leave. But something special happened there: A new, freer spirit was
present in the church. Worship was deeper and giving increased, surpassing the
church income that had come from the Masons. Plus new people came and
overflowed the pews in a greater number that ever before. Most Masons get
involved with the Lodge out of peer pressure: Their friends are in it or their
grandfather was in it. Some go into it for business reasons: They see it as a
way to progress in their business and social lives. Others are attracted by the
secret, mystic rituals and symbolism of Freemasonry. Others see people like the
Shiners parading around in the red fezzes, riding their funny cars in parades
when the Shrine circus comes to town. People wonder, “Well what about the Shriners?
We hear about the Shriners’ Hospital, about Masonic homes for Masons, about all
the good works they do. Everyone knows about the Shrine Circus and the many
people who are helped by them Why are you criticizing Them? Are you saying that
they have something to hide from the world? Yes, we are saying just that. This
is clearly the case with the case with the Shriners. Their public image is that
of a fun-time group pouring out millions of dollars into charity, all the while
dressed up in a party spirit, wearing their red fezzes with great aplomb. The
fez itself is an example of the double meaning behind most of Freemasonry’s
façade. Worn by every Shriner and even
carried to the grave with pompous dignity, the history of the fez is both
barbaric and anti-Christian. In the early eighth century, Muslim hordes overran
the Moroccan city of Fez,
shouting, :There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is his prophet.” There they
butchered the Christian community. These men, women, and children were slain
because of their faith in Christ, all in the name of Allah, the same demon god
to who every Shriner must bow in worship, With hands tied behind his back,
proclaiming him the god of his fathers in the Shrine initiation, at the Alter
of Obligation. In usual occult fashion, the initiate swears that he will be
inseparable obligated to this :most powerful and binding oath” in advance, and
that he may never retract in or depart from it. The Shriners’ blood oath and
confession of Allah as god is documented in the secret Lodge document The
Mystic Shrine: An illustrated Ritual of the Ancient Arabic Order Nobles of the
Shrine, 1975 edition (pages 20-22). Remember the Allah is not just another name
for God. Allah is the name of another
god. During the butchering of the people of Fez, the streets literally ran red with the
blood of the martyred Christians. The Muslim murderers dipped their caps in the
blood of their victims as a testimony to Allah. These bloodstained caps
eventually were called fezzes and became a badge of honor for those who dilled
a Christian. The Shriners wear that same red fez today, with the Islamic sword
and crescent encrusted with jewels on the front. The greatest tragedy is that
the fez is often worn by men who profess to be Christians themselves. It must
cause God to weep that any Christian man would wear such a blasphemous thing,
even in ignorance! When they get to level 33 they must pledge their
faithfulness to Abaddon. Revelation
9:10-11 They had tails like scorpions,
and there were stings in their tails. And their power was to hurt men for five
months. And they had as king over them
the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek
he has the name Apollyon. Lee Martone

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Re: Christianity & Masonry

Post  Waqar Daniel on Mon 19 Nov 2007, 1:00 am

Dear Lee:

Thank you for your insight into Freemansonry. I will try to explain what Freemansonry is and how it got connected to Christianity.

Symbol of Freemason and its meaning




The Masonic symbol of the compass and the T-square represents movement toward perfection and a balance between the spiritual and physical which resembles Egyptian and oriental mysticism. The compass (used to form circles) represent spirit. The ruler (part of a square) represent the physical. Freemasons also believe in Dream Catchers and put them at their bed sides to dream about the true dreams and keep false dreams away. Another name of Freemason is Brotherhood of Darkness

History, Constitution & Belief

Freemasonry is a fraternal organization that arose from obscure origins (theorised to be anywhere from the time of the building of King Solomon's Temple to the mid-1600s). Freemasonry now exists in various forms all over the world, and has millions of members. The various forms all share moral and metaphysical ideals, which include, in most cases, a constitutional declaration of belief in a Supreme Being.

The fraternity is administratively organised into Grand Lodges (or sometimes Orients) that each govern their own jurisdiction, which consists of subordinate (or constituent) Lodges. Grand Lodges recognise each other through a process of landmarks and regularity. There are also appendant bodies, which are organisations related to the main branch of Freemasonry, but with their own independent administration.
Freemasonry uses the metaphors of operative stonemasons' tools and implements, against the allegorical backdrop of the building of King Solomon's Temple, to convey what is most generally defined as "a system of morality veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbols."


Ritual and symbols

The Freemasons rely heavily on the architectural symbolism of the medieval operative Masons who actually worked in stone. One of their principal symbols is the square and compasses, tools of the trade, so arranged as to form a quadrilateral. The square is sometimes said to represent matter, and the compasses spirit or mind. Alternatively, the square might be said to represent the world of the concrete, or the measure of objective reality, while the compasses represent abstraction, or subjective judgment, and so forth (Freemasonry being non-dogmatic, there is no written-in-stone interpretation for any of these symbols). The compasses straddle the square, representing the interdependence between the two. In the space between the two, there is optionally placed a symbol of metaphysical significance. Sometimes, this is a blazing star or other symbol of Light, representing Truth or knowledge. Alternatively, there is often a letter G placed there, usually said to represent God and/or Geometry.

The square and compasses are displayed at all Masonic meetings, along with the open Volume of the Sacred Law (or Lore) (VSL). In English-speaking countries, this is usually a Holy Bible, but it can be whatever book(s) of inspiration or scripture that the members of a particular Lodge or jurisdiction feel they draw on‹whether the Bible, the Qur'an, or other Volumes. A candidate for a degree will normally be given his choice of VSL, regardless of the Lodge's usual VSL. In many French Lodges, the Masonic Constitutions are used. In a few cases, a blank book has been used, where the religious makeup of a Lodge was too diverse to permit an easy choice of VSL. In addition to its role as a symbol of written wisdom, inspiration, and spiritual revelation, the VSL is what Masonic obligations are taken upon.

Much of Masonic symbolism is mathematical in nature, and in particular geometrical, which is probably a reason Freemasonry has attracted so many rationalists (such as Voltaire, Fichte, Goethe, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Mark Twain and many others). No particular metaphysical theory is advanced by Freemasonry, however, although there seems to be some influence from the Pythagoreans, from Neo-Platonism, and from early modern Rationalism.In keeping with the geometrical and architectural theme of Freemasonry, the Supreme Being (or God, or Creative Principle) is sometimes also referred to in Masonic ritual as the Grand Geometer, or the Great Architect of the Universe (GAOTU). Freemasons use a variety of labels for this concept in order to avoid the idea that they are talking about any one religion's particular God or God-like concept.

Christianity and Freemasonry

The relationship between The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and Freemasonry began early in the history of Mormonism. Some historians believe that the secret combinations, like those of the Gadianton Robbers referred to in the Book of Mormon, were symbolic for Freemasonry, although Joseph Smith Jr. never explicitly confirmed such beliefs.
While a number of early Church members such as Heber C. Kimball were Masons prior to becoming Mormons, Joseph Smith Jr. and the Church had no formal relationship with Freemasonry until the early 1840s, when Smith was urged to form a Masonic Lodge by those members who were Masons. It appears that John C. Bennett, a newcomer to the church, had a particularly strong influence in the spread of Freemasonry.

Bible is very clear on such types of teachings and God warned us before hand that I wonder that you are so quickly turning back from the One having caled you by the grace of Christ to another gospel (Gal 1:6)


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Thank you Daniel for your Letter. Lee & Anna Martone

Post  Guest on Mon 19 Nov 2007, 2:03 am

I thank you Daniel for your
informative letter. My wife and I really enjoyed it. You’re the Best and we pray
that if there is a Christian Mason on this web site that his or her eyes will
be opened. For the Spirit does speck expressively in the last days. God bless
you Daniel and your family, and have a happy thanksgiving. Lee & Anna
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Post  Waqar Daniel on Mon 19 Nov 2007, 2:36 am

Dear Lee and Anastasia:

Thank you for your kind remarks although I am not worthy of us remarks, all the remarks are to be for the honor and glory of Heavenly Father through our LORD and Savior.

I made this forum because I have been member of many Christian forums and I found them to be rude and preaching that is not of the Bible. If you disagree with the owner of the forum, they simply ban you.

However, the owner of this forum is Jesus Christ and you and I are simply tools and servants of Jesus Christ. This forum will ony be used for the honor and glory of Heavenly Father through Jesus Christ. Followers of satan are not allowed and I am least interested in their philosophy and theories.

I always pray to God that whoever becomes a member of this forum must be from God and God is kind to this forum. He has blessed this forum with practising Christians like you.

God bless you and your family

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