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Post  Guest on Tue 20 Nov 2007, 1:32 am

Public Law 102-14 states emphatically that all civilization from the
beginning has been based upon a set of laws entitled "The Seven Noahide
Laws". I bet you did not know this, did you? You probably believed that
the Holy Bible was the basis upon which civilization was based. What
are "The Seven Noahide Laws" and from whence did they come? These seven
supposed universal laws, according to the Encyclopedia Americana, p.
737, state that they are "a Jewish Talmudic designation for seven
biblical laws given to Adam and to Noah before the revelation to Moses
on Mt. Sinai and consequently, binding upon all mankind." Don Bell
correctly reports that these laws originated from the mystic (and
Satanic) Babylonian Talmud, which no Christian has ever accepted as
inspired sacred Scripture. In fact, the Talmud is that collection of
man-made interpretations of the Pentateuch (Genesis through
Deuteronomy) against which Jesus railed so intensely. The Talmud was
taught as being equal with God's inspired Word, even though the
practical effect of its teachings were so often the exact opposite of
what God had intended.

However, the Encyclopedia Americana continues its explanation of the
Noahide Laws, "Throughout the ages, scholars have viewed the Noahide
Laws as a link between Judaism and Christianity, as universal norms of
ethical conduct, as a basic concept of international law, or as a
guarantee of fundamental human rights for all." This explanation leaves
one to believe that both Jews and Gentiles are bound by these seven
laws; however, Don Bell reports from Jewish sources that the Jew who
lives according to the Torah is exempt from these seven laws. In other
words, these seven Noahide Laws were meant for the Gentiles only!! They
are meant to be a substitute for the Ten Commandments. At this point,
we need to briefly list these seven Noahide Laws. can you elaborate why they will kill all who is a Christian and why are they conected to the Masons and the New world order. I really think these are man made not Gods Laws and that you should look into all yhat is said about these laws. thank you so kindly Daniel Anastasia cuttingedge.org/

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Post  Waqar Daniel on Tue 20 Nov 2007, 3:58 am

Dear Anastasia:

I want to make a request, when you start a thread (Topic) please post all articles related to it in the same thread. Right now you and I know what we are talking about, it will make no sense to others. You have posted three different threads of same topic.

First of all Encylcopedia Americana compilers are ignorant of the world history or they are trying to mislead others.

"The Seven Noahide Laws" and from whence did they come? These seven supposed universal laws, according to the Encyclopedia Americana, p. 737, state that they are "a Jewish Talmudic designation for seven
biblical laws given to Adam and to Noah before the revelation to Moses
on Mt. Sinai and consequently, binding upon all mankind.

I amazed at this statement, was Adam a Jew and did he follow Talmud Laws, was Noah a Jew and did he follow Talmud? The problem with us is that we call everything evil, and stick and believe to evil.

Noahide Laws only deal with social laws and do not deal with worship laws. It is same as in Pakistan we have freeway and when I use it, I use safety laws, I follow them and this does not make me a muslim. However, if I follow muslim worship laws, only then I will be called a muslim.

You have mixed up Noahide Laws with worship Laws, and the people you are quoting have also mixed up Noahide Laws with worship Laws. Noahide Laws only deal with social laws and no where they teach about worship.

Abraham lived under King Hammurabi's Law. This law was also social and not religious because Abraham believed in God. However, his son from Hagar was legal due to the King Hammurabi's Law of continuity of seed and child born from Tamar and Judah was also legal due to the Law of King hammurabi. King Hammurabi introduced these laws to control the people.

Now many people say that 10 commandments are stolen from King Hammurabi's Law, so then, will you call 10 commandments evil too?

Neither Adam or Noah or Abraham or Moses used Talmud because it was non existent at their time. Please do read Old Testament if you really want to understand everything. There are many Encyclopedia that call Jesus a man in history and not prophet or Son of God or Savior. What should I do - Should I believe in Encyclopedia or Bible?

Talmud
Talmud is a record of rabbinic discussions pertaining to Jewish Laws, ethics, custom and history. Talmud has two components:

The Mishnah the first written compendium of Jewish Oral Law

Gemarah a discussion of Mishnah and related Tannaitic writings that often ventures onto other subjects and expound broadly on the Tanakh. The gemara is basis for all codes of rabbinc laws.

The Talmud basically helped the Sanhedrin to judge cases and pass judgements on the Law as their predecessors did. This was all in accordance to God's commandments to Moses. Talmud was a guide for Rabbis and not for laymen. Therefore, it is wrong and totally unhistorical to say that Talmud had influence of Babylonian religion.

Talmud Bavli (Babylonian Talmud)

It does not contain any Babylonian religious rites. Why it was called Babylonian Talmud?

Since the Exile to Babylonia in 586 BCE, there had been Jewish communities living in Babylonia as well as in Judea, as many of the captives never returned home. From then till the Talmudic period the Babylonian Jewish population increased through natural growth as well as migration. The most important of the Jewish centres were Nehardea, Nisibis, Mahoza, Pumbeditha and Sura. It was no longer necessary for scholars to travel regularly to Israel to gather authentic traditions.

Therefore, it has nothing to do with Talmud being polluted by Babylonian worship rites, on the contrary, it was used in Babylonia and that is why it is known as Babylonian Talmud. Similarly, Talmud Yerushamli (Jerusalem Talmud) originated in Tiberias.

Talmud was not a work of satan, rather Rabbis used it for passing judgements just like in modern day courts Judge normally give reference pf old cases while passing the judgement.

How can you call Noahide Laws evil when they teach exactly what God has reinforced through Prophets and even Jesus Christ reinforced them.

See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ Col 2:8

Not everything you read on internet or in books is true. You must open up the Bible and confirm it before passing on Judgement. I quoted Noahide Laws from Genesis 9. I believe God gave them because I do not need any Encyclopedia to tell me what is true. When Bible says it, I believe it.

Regarding the last question you asked, Freemasons use KJV, shall we say King James Version of Bible is evil? And I do not understand, using Naohide Laws, how will they kill Christians? Noahide Laws no where tell to kill any person as reprimand. Do not just believe whatever you read.

It is your choice to call them evil, so I make a choice to call them from God because I can find them in the Bible.

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The Law of God is good. Anastasia

Post  Guest on Tue 20 Nov 2007, 5:51 am

I think I need to let everybody know the Law of God is
perfect, and I love His Law I just donít like man misusing it as the phrases did,
in the time of Jesus. Jesus kept the
whole Law but he kept striping away their law, and called them brood of
vipers and white wash tombs. I really think that dawn deep in my heart that
these man will take these Laws and do with them as the Crusaders did when they
marched into Israel with the Popes approval killing thousands of innocent Jews
and Muslims, in the while they chanted the name of Jesus. We are a gentle
believing Christians. We do not force anybody into believing the way we do. For
God would not be honor by force. I donít trust in men for God has said do not
trust them, for the heart of men is wicked and who can know it. I trust God and
Him alone. Now as for you may God bless you for not taking my post out. You
believed in freedom of speech and so do I. Your
right and telling me that I should not believed all I read. I like to keep an
eye on all my surroundings Jesus told me to watch and that I do. May God be
with you always is my prayer Daniel. Anastasia

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Post  Waqar Daniel on Tue 20 Nov 2007, 12:26 pm

Dear Anastasia:

Thank you for your kind reply. However, I believe that you are still confused between 10 commandments and Noahide Law.

Noahide Law no where says to kill any person as a reprimand, whereas the Law you say is flawless has stoning to death a blasphemer, an adulterer and there are many such rules.

The people who talk against Noahide Law do not want any Biblical Law to be a part of Legislation. The reason is that it stops them to sin. Like as in Noahide Law it is not allowed to have unlawful sexual relation. Whereas in privacy law people can live as a partner. So all these propoganda is made by such people.

Where can you find Noahide Law in Russian Legislation? Don't show me websites, show me part of that law embedded in their law. However, it is note worthy that all countries follow Noahide or 10 commandments in some way or the other.

I am amazed at the zeal of Christians. You called innocent muslims who were killed by crusaders in the name of Jesus. Jews were never killed by the crusaders.

First of all let me correct the history. I ask what were muslims doing in Israel? The answer is simple, they conquered Israel under the leadership of Salahuddin Ayubi, killed Jews and Christians who refused to accept Islam. Destroyed the Temple and errected a mosque known as Masjid Al-Aqsa on some part of the Temple and it is still standing and is the reason of fight between Jews and muslims to date.

This is a height of disrespect to the sacrifice of the people who chose death over Islam and remained true to God. God called Israel Holy and called it His resting place and you call the people who destroyed the temple and killed Jews and Christians like a road kill innocent? So amazing - people can go to great lengths to prove satan and rejecting God just to prove a point. Now here I would quote Pharisees, they did the same to Jesus.

We preach to follow Jesus but we never do it ourselves, Jesus took a whip and beat the traders out the Temple saying that these people have made My Father's House a den of robbers (Mathew 21:12-13)

I wonder, to modern and liberal Christians, Jesus comitted a sin then? He drove out the thieves out of the Temple. I wonder what will Jesus do with people who desecrated, destroyed and looted the Temple (His House) and to those who call them innocent and approve their act?

Now regarding the history part of your post. When muslims captured Israel, Pope refused to send army to help the stranded Jews and Christians despite their repeated requests.

However, God sent England and Spain to help the Jews and Christians. The army was also known as Knights of Templers. Afterwards, Pope ordered all Templers to be killed by calling them satan worshippers. King of France helped in this act and rounded up all the Kinghts and killed them. Why Pope was so angry at the Templers? They disobeyed the Pope's direct order. However after killing the Templers, Israel was again lost to the muslim world and then during World War II, muslims tried to give a last blow to Jews.

The Grand Mufti met Hitler and with the help of Bosnian Army nearly tried to wipe out the Jews from the earth.

I wonder sometimes, how God feels, when we call people innocent who destroyed and looted the Temple? You do not even have a clue what you are talking about.

When Churches are burnt in Paksitan, Indonesia and other muslim countries, muslims use altar as toilet and Bible as toilet paper. So innocent??? Must be a wonderful sight for liberal Christians who are too worried about killings of muslims.

My grandfather owned a village, that had largest agriculture land in that area. He built that village in 1914 and donated some land to Church and other Christians. That village was known as model village. But some years back a 9 year old boy cried that people are burning Koran in my village.

10,000 armed men marched against my village of 2,500 people, burnt down everything no one helped them, alive poeple were burnt to death by these innocent muslims. Only our house and a Church which my grandfather made remained safe because we have guards.

Afterwards it was known that a muslim wanted to buy land from a farmer and he refused because my grandfather made it sure that it remains only Christian village and by law the land my grandfather donated to people clearly states that it cannot be sold to a non-Christian.

I would suggest you to take hold of a Koran or use an online Koran because I know you will not believe me about these innocent muslims.

Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2

Fight them until "religion is for Allah." 2:193

War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216

Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89

This is how the Jews and Christians were treated by your innocent muslims when they captured Isareal and destroyed the Temple

Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 5:33

Well I do not very freely allow Freedom of Speech. There are million websites where you can post and read such types of articles which basically challenge the Word of God and call it evil.

Anyways, I would request that this website is for teaching and preaching the Word of God and not our opinions and assumptions. First read Bible (Old and New Testaments) understand them in the guidance of Holy Spirit so that you may not call Words of God evil.

If you want to comment on other religions then you must first read them and understand them.

On this website Power and Authority of Heavenly Father is maintained through our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ. And please next time do not call any teaching of the Bible evil. If you want to write against Bible and Christians and want to support innocent muslims then there are many websites that would agree to your view point.

Here we all agree to what God has said in the Bible and we uphold everything that is in the Bible whether you like it or not and we are not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

God bless you and your family

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Post  Guest on Tue 20 Nov 2007, 4:11 pm

Here are two letter that are posted in my web site I am pro Israel and the reason I said the poor muslims was because at that time Judea was called Palestine. Also I heard a Preacher that I respect who has major in History Talk bad about the Crusaders. Never the less I humbly stand rebuke. May God always be with you Daniel. Anastasia
http://www.yeshuastruth.com/pages/israelpage2.html
http://www.yeshuastruth.com/pages/notbyworks.html

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Post  Waqar Daniel on Tue 20 Nov 2007, 7:20 pm

I am so sorry that I do not agree to what excuse you are giving to support your article. You are putting your ego before God. However, let me enlighten you about Palestine.

What has Pastor's Masters degree to do with the truth? Nothing - If you are impressed by his education then I have three Masters degrees, and I plan to do my PhD, therefore, I am more educated than the Pastor. I would request, ask the Christians who live in Palestine and you will hear hair raising stories.

Grand Mufti Muhammed Al-Husseni

In 1929, Grand Mufti with a slogan Izbah Al Yahud which means - Slaughter the Jews!" After the killing of Jews in Hebron, the Mufti disseminated photographs of slaughtered Jews with the claim that the dead were Arabs killed by Jews.

In April, 1936 six prominent Arab leaders formed the Arab Higher Committee, with the Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini as head of the organization, joining forces to protest British support of Zionist progress in Palestine. In the same month, riots broke out in Jaffa commencing a three-year period of violence and civil strife in Palestine that is known as the Arab Revolt. The Arab Higher Committee led the campaign of terrorism against Jewish and British targets.

According to documentation from the Nuremberg and Eichmann trials, the Nazi Germany SS helped finance al-Husseini's efforts in the 1936-39 revolt in Palestine. Adolf Eichmann actually visited Palestine and met with al-Husseini at that time and subsequently maintained regular contact with him later in Berlin.

In 1940, al-Husseini requested the Axis powers to acknowledge the Arab right:


  • ... to settle the question of Jewish elements in Palestine and other Arab countries in accordance with the national and racial interests of the Arabs and along the lines similar to those used to solve the Jewish question in Germany and Italy.
While in Baghdad, Syria al-Husseini aided the pro-Nazi revolt of 1941. He then spent the rest of World War II as [b]Hitler's special guest in Berlin
, advocating the extermination of Jews in radio broadcasts back to the Middle East and recruiting Balkan Muslims for infamous SS "mountain divisions" that tried to wipe out Jewish communities throughout the region.

At the Nuremberg Trials, Eichmann's deputy Dieter Wisliceny (subsequently executed as a war criminal) testified:

  • The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan. ... He was one of Eichmann's best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures. I heard him say, accompanied by Eichmann, he had visited incognito the gas chamber of Auschwitz.

With the collapse of Nazi Germany in 1945, the Mufti moved to Egypt where he was received as a national hero. After the war Al-Husseini was indicted by Yugoslavia for war crimes, but escaped prosecution. The Mufti was never tried because the Allies were afraid of the storm in the Arab world if the hero of Arab nationalism was treated as a war criminal.

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Palestinian children sent as human suicide bombers to do the fighting. One third of Israeli victims are children and the elderly. I believe you must be feeling sorry for the Palestinian human suicide bombers and I would feel sorry for the Jewish kids and elderly people.

Why are Palestine claiming their right on Jerusalem? Why are they fighting and killing Jews? Israel, rightfully belongs to Jews and if you are pro-Jews then why are you calling the killers innocent?

Bible says, anyone who blesses Israel, God blesses that person. You are supporting killers of Jews and Israel.

In Old Testament, Philistines were cursed by God, read the story of Samson in Judges 16 and 1 Samuel 5 and see how Philistines desecrated God and Ark of God and how God cursed and destroyed them.

Here is one more verse from Koran for showing sympathy towards muslims and I pray this opens your eyes.

Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51

The Koran says whatever sympathy you show towards your innocent muslims, they will never be your friends. Yes they can become your friends, if you accept Islam.

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