X-Rated Pornography in the Bible:

googleboy5 Mon 22 Jun 2009, 2:32 pm

Warning!

This article contains X-rated and pornographic text - that the
Bible sings glory-songs for - about women's (Sorry CHRISTIAN TALK does not allow such language) and (Sorry CHRISTIAN TALK does not allow such language) tasting like
"wine," and sisters wishing if their lovers were their brothers so that they
wouldn't have a problem taking them home in without secret.

Viewer's discretion is advised!

Women's
(Sorry CHRISTIAN TALK does not allow such language) are important sexual objects, especially for licking and sucking!Let us look at

Song of Solomon 8:10 "Dear brothers, I'm
a walled-in virgin still, but my (Sorry CHRISTIAN TALK does not allow such language) are full— And when my
lover sees me, he knows he'll soon be satisfied."

She is a virgin with full swelling (Sorry CHRISTIAN TALK does not allow such language). When her
lover meets her, he will be satisfied from those swelling (Sorry CHRISTIAN TALK does not allow such language)!
Obviously, she is referring to licking, sucking and other pornographic
things that I can't mention here. Believe me this verse is not talking about them worshiping GOD Almighty
together when they meet!! It is clearly and indisputably referring to
graphic sex that involves her swelling (Sorry CHRISTIAN TALK does not allow such language) and other things such as
intercourse.

Let us look at Song of Songs 4:5 "Your
two (Sorry CHRISTIAN TALK does not allow such language) are like two fawns, like twin fawns of a gazelle that browse
among the lilies."

Let us look at Song of Songs 1:13 "My
lover is to me a sachet of myrrh resting between my (Sorry CHRISTIAN TALK does not allow such language)."

Praising the bed that they had sex on:
Let us look at Song of Songs 1:16 "How handsome you are, my lover! Oh, how charming!
And our
bed is verdant"

Let us look at Song of Songs 1:2-4 "Let
him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth-- for your love is more delightful than wine.
Pleasing is the fragrance of your perfumes; your name is like perfume poured out.
No wonder the maidens love you! Take me away with you--let us hurry! Let the king
bring me into his chambers. We rejoice and delight in you; we will praise your
love (i.e., semen) more than
wine. How right they are to adore you!" I don't think this
would be appropriate for a kid under 18 to read. Also, I don't think it is
appropriate to have such open sexuality in a divine book anyway.

His right arm sexually feeling her body:
Let us look at Song of Songs 2:6
"His
left arm is under my head, and his right arm embraces me."

Let us look at Song of Songs 3:4 "Scarcely
had I passed them when I found the one my heart loves. I held him and would not let him go
till I had brought him to my mother's house, to the room of the one who
conceived me." So in other words, she was not married to
him, and when she found him, she took him back to her bed room to have illegal sex with
him? If she were married to him, she wouldn't take him to her "mother's
house". She would take him to their house.

Let us look at Song of Songs 3:10 "Its
posts he made of silver, its base of gold. Its seat was upholstered with purple, its
interior lovingly inlaid by the daughters of Jerusalem." Why does the
Bible teach young men to spend all of their time and effort to try to impress all of the
girls in their town so they can possibly end in bed with them?

Fantasizing
about a girl he calls his "sister". Her (Sorry CHRISTIAN TALK does not allow such language) tastes like wine for
him. And they had sex all night long. After he satisfied her really
good, she wished if he were her brother (her biological
brother nursed by her "mother's breast" as she said)
so she doesn't have to take him home secretly:

Note: Even though she may
not be his biological sister, but calling her a "sister" in a pornographic and
sick situation as shown in details below is not proper, and may suggest that the sick
pervert would fantasize about his biological sister if he had one.

Let us look at Song of Songs 4:9 "You
have stolen my heart, my sister, my bride; you have stolen my
heart with one glance of your eyes, with one jewel of your necklace."
Fantasizing about his sister? at least he shows in this verse that he would!.

Let us look at Song of Songs 4:10 "How delightful is your love, my sister, my bride!
How much more pleasing is your love than wine, and the fragrance of your perfume than any
spice!" Making love to his own sister? "pleasing
is your love (making???) than wine"?

Let us look at Song of Songs 4:12 "You
are a garden locked up, my sister, my bride; you are a spring
enclosed, a sealed fountain."

Showing off her (Sorry CHRISTIAN TALK does not allow such language) and (Sorry CHRISTIAN TALK does not allow such language) to him:

Sleeping with his sister: Let us look at Song of Songs 5:4 "I slept but my heart
was awake. Listen! My lover is knocking: 'Open to me,
my sister,
my darling, my dove, my flawless one. My head is drenched with dew, my hair with the
dampness of the night.' I have taken off my robe (i.e., she showed his (Sorry CHRISTIAN TALK does not allow such language) and (Sorry CHRISTIAN TALK does not allow such language) to him. Underwears
and bras didn't exist back
then!) must I put it on again? I have washed my
feet, must I soil them again? My lover thrust his hand through the latch-opening; my
heart began to pound for him." What a disgusting
way for someone to talk so pervertly about his sister and/or about her brother like that!!

Let us look at Song of Songs 5:8 "O daughters of Jerusalem, I charge
you-- if you find my lover, what will you tell him? Tell him I am faint with love."
Teaching women to be sexually too open.

His sister's (Sorry CHRISTIAN TALK does not allow such language) tastes like
"wine":

"How beautiful your sandaled feet, O prince's
daughter! Your graceful legs are like jewels, the work of a craftsman's
hands. Your navel is a rounded goblet that never lacks blended wine.
Your waist is a mound of wheat encircled by lilies. Your (Sorry CHRISTIAN TALK does not allow such language) are like two fawns,
twins of a gazelle. Your neck is like an ivory tower. Your eyes are the pools
of Heshbon by the gate of Bath Rabbi.
.......
I said 'I will climb the palm tree; I will take hold of its fruit.' May your
(Sorry CHRISTIAN TALK does not allow such language) be like the clusters of the vine, the fragrance of your breath like apples,
and your mouth like the best wine.
(The NIV Bible, Song
of Songs 7:1-4, 8-9)"

According to the documentary film "Sex
in the Bible" on A&E TV Station, the Hebrew
translation to "Your naval" is referring to the woman's (Sorry CHRISTIAN TALK does not allow such language)

Having sex all night long with that sister:
Let us look at Song of Songs 7:11 "Come, my lover, let us go to the countryside, let us
spend the night in the villages." And
make love all night long?

She wished if he were her brother, so she doesn't have to
take him home with her in secret. He must have satisfied her really good!!
Let us look at Song of Songs 8:1-3 "If
only you were to me like a brother, who was nursed at my mother's (Sorry CHRISTIAN TALK does not allow such language)!
Then, if I found you outside, I would kiss you, and no one would despise me. I would
lead you and bring you to my mother's house-- she who has taught me. I would
give you spiced wine to drink [i.e., her Sorry CHRISTIAN TALK is a Christian Discussion Board's semen!], the nectar of my pomegranates. His left arm is under
my head and his right arm embraces me." She wished if he were her
biological brother so she can take him home without a secret and there he can have sex
with her all the time!

To all of you girls who have brothers
out there:

If you have a very attractive brother, please don't follow the gospel of porn's advise and to try to sleep with him in bed!! Ok?

Few more points to notice from Song of Songs 8:1-3
verse above:

1- She wished
if her boyfriend/lover was her actual brother so she wouldn't have to take him home in
secret.

2- She would
sleep with her own brother.

3- She would
kiss him publicly.

4- She wants
him to feel her body.

5- She wants
him to do her all night long!

6- Her wanting to kiss
him publicly clearly means that the Bible's *holy* prostitute is so sexually turned on
that she having him at home doing her all night long is not enough. THEY HAVE TO
MAKE OUT PUBLICLY TOO. Hilarious pornography indeed!

What more pornography and sick trash do you want? Even today's internet pornography have not yet gone down to the filthy
level of brothers and sisters sleeping with each others. That's
how sick and pervert the Bible really is.

Important Note: If you don't call
the above garbage "pornography", then what else would you call it? It
wouldn't surprise me to see Christians end up one day sleeping with their sisters, as
Christian men are marrying men and Christian women are marrying women in California, USA.

It wouldn't surprise me to see brothers committing adultery with their sisters
especially since the Bible seems to allow them to do it anyway (any
sister with a stud brother who was nursed by her "mother's breasts"),
especially if they both live over at their mother's home.

I am not being sarcastic!

ChristianLady Mon 22 Jun 2009, 3:47 pm

googleboy5 wrote:Why does the Bible teach young men to spend all of their time and effort to try to impress all of the girls in their town so they can possibly end in bed with them?

Bible never does that and it is your own imagination. Why you have such a sick brain because you follow a person who married a child and as I read the hadith pointed out by Daniel, Mohammed had revelations while having sex with Ayesha. So all the filth comes from your faith.

Neither the Book talks of Solomon or any of his wives or concubines. The Book talks of ultimate love of God in human language towards His creation. Your perverted mind just sees sex and nudity because this is what you follow.

Mohammed a Superman of SEX
Narrated Qatada: Anas bin Malik said, "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet the strength for it?" Anas replied, "We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)." And Sa'id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven). (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 5, Number 268)

Narrated Aisha: Magic was worked on Allah's Apostle so that he used to think that he had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 660; see also Number 661)

See Mohammed had sex in his mind all the time and so do you have and you are a true follower of Mohammed in this regard.

AngelicSmile Mon 22 Jun 2009, 3:57 pm

I agree with ChristianLady and I also believe that you hide the life of Mohammed and point fingers at others. So stupid of you. This is what Encyclopedia Britannica Online has to say:

Song of Solomon
Biblical canticlealso called Canticle of Canticles, or Song of Songs

Main
An Old Testament book that belongs to the third section of the biblical canon, known as the Ketuvim, or “Writings.” In the Hebrew Bible the Song of Solomon stands with Ruth, Lamentations, Ecclesiastes, and Esther and with them makes up the Megillot, five scrolls that are read on various religious festivals of the Jewish year. This book is the festal scroll for Pesaḥ (Passover), which celebrates the Exodus of the Israelites from Egypt. The book in its present form postdates the Babylonian Exile (5th century bc onward), but the poems that it preserves date from about the 10th century bc, the period of the Davidic monarchy.

The book, whose author is unknown (Solomon’s name is a later addition), is a collection of love poems spoken alternately by a man and a woman. There is no coherent story in the book. A number of the poems systematically describe the beauty and excellence of the beloved. The Song of Solomon has received various interpretations, the most common being allegorical, dramatic, cultic, and literal. Among Jews, the allegorical interpretation regards the book as an allegory of God’s love for the Israelites, with whom he has made a sacred covenant. Among Christians, the book is interpreted as describing the covenantal love of Christ for his church. In medieval mysticism, the Song of Solomon was construed to apply to the love between Christ and the human soul.

Dramatic interpretations of the Song of Solomon are based on much of the book’s being in dialogue form. According to this view, the speakers in it are enacting roles in a dramatic love story that varies in outline according to the particular interpretation. In view of the absence of drama in ancient Semitic literatures, however, such interpretations are not very probable. The cultic interpretation views the book as a collection of songs associated with the practice of sacred marriage as observed by the Sumerians and other ancient Mesopotamian peoples.

The fourth interpretation, and the one that has perhaps gained the most credence among modern scholars, is simply that the Song of Solomon is a collection of secular love poems without any religious implications. According to this interpretation, the songs celebrate the joy and goodness of human love between the sexes and the sense of inner fulfillment and harmony with God’s creation that arise from such love.

My Remarks
First there is no mention that you can have sex with your sister. Second there is no mention of Sorry CHRISTIAN TALK is a Christian Discussion Board. Lastly, if it is sin then why would Allah give you a high bosomed virgins and boys in paradise?

Common Tue 23 Jun 2009, 12:11 am

I find it funny how you are trying to paint the Bible in the ugliest way possible. Perhaps you have never been exposed to what the Quaran really teaches. Maybe the video below will open your eyes a bit.

Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ be with you.

googleboy5 Thu 25 Jun 2009, 3:26 pm

I was wondering how can a book from God contain such things and language
i didn't mean to hurt anybody's feeling and i apologize in advance it's not what i meant
but i was expecting an answer not an attack to islam

christianlady wrote :
The Book talks of ultimate love of God in human language towards His
creation. Your perverted mind just sees sex and nudity because this is
what you follow.

AngelicSmile wrote:
Among Jews, the allegorical interpretation regards the book as an
allegory of God’s love for the Israelites, with whom he has made a
sacred covenant. Among Christians, the book is interpreted as
describing the covenantal love of Christ for his church

what an explanation !!

now let we move to your claims

googleboy5 Thu 25 Jun 2009, 6:06 pm

Mohammed a Superman of SEX
Narrated Qatada: Anas bin Malik said, "The Prophet used to visit all his
wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in
number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet the strength for it?"
Anas replied, "We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of
thirty (men)." And Sa'id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had
told him about nine wives only (not eleven). (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book
5, Number 268)

you bring up a Hadith out-of-context. No problem, let's dig into the Truth,

Justice is the primary act one has no choice but to abide by, in Islam, be it
they have more than one wife or any other matter. The Hadith above recorded by
Al-Bukhari only stands to prove how just Muhammad (S.A.W.S) was to his wives.
"The Prophet used to visit ALL his wives in a round, during the day and
night and they were eleven in number." A pious Muslim would not choose one
wife over another due to their beauty/wealth/knowledge etc etc. Muhammad
(S.A.W.S) being the first one to carry out this Rule of Allah Almighty was the
best example; he visited all of his wives, judging between them with nothing
but fairness. Even in the part of his private intercourse life Muhammad
(S.A.W.S) was fair proven by the Hadith you have provided: "'We used to
say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty men.' Justice was
Muhammad's (S.A.W.S) motto - and should be of all Believers'. " Do
yourself a favor and search the definition of the word "lust" and
"justice" - you'll find that they're in no way synonyms. In fact,
they oppose each other on every standard.

AngelicSmile wrote:
I agree with ChristianLady and I also believe that you hide the life of
Mohammed and point fingers at others

Name of Bride	Bride's age at marriage	Comments
Khadija bint khawilad	40	Twice widowed before
Sauda Bint Zama	50	Widow
Aisha bint Abu Bakr	9	Started living with the prophet at the age of 9.
Hafsa Bint Umar bin Khattab	22	Widow
Zainab bint Khuzaima	30	?
Umm-I-Salma bint Abu Umayia	26	Widow
Zainab Bint Jahash	38	Widow
Juwaeria Bint Harith	20	Widow
Umm-I-Habiba bint Abu Sufyan	36	Widow
Marya Qibtiya bint Shamun	17	Virgin, Egyptian
Safia bint Hayi bin Akhtab	17	Widow
Raihana bint umru bin hanafa	?	?
Maimuna bint harith	36	widow

. An unbiased examination of
Prophet's life and his marriages to his wives blatantly rejects the notion of
his lifestyle fitting that of a paedophile. All his brides were aged widows
(except Aisha and Marya)

A still important factor to consider: The most sexually active phase in
anyone’s life is before he reaches the age of fifty. We must remember that in
this phase, the Prophet had only one wife, Khadijah, who was fifteen years
older than him. The Prophet married her when he was twenty-five and she was
forty years. She died at the age of sixty-five. It was only after her death and
in Madinah, after he had dedicated himself to the task of building a nation,
that he married a number of women belonging to different Arab clans, most of them
were widows.

People committed fornication and adultery in most places around the
word in Muhammad's time, yet he never once did so, and he forbade all
of his followers from this evil practice.
Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, ordered men to
"provide and protect" women, whether it was their own mother, sister,
wife or daughter or even those of others, whether they were Muslims or
not.
Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, prohibited killing of
children for fear of poverty and also forbade killing any innocent
people.

An envoy of the pagan leaders, Otba, came to him saying,
“…If you want money, we will collect enough money for you so that you
will be the richest one of us. If you want leadership, we will take
you as our leader and never decide on any matter without your approval.
If you want a kingdom, we will crown you king over us…” Only one
concession was required from Muhammad in return for that, to give up
calling people to Islam and worshipping God alone without any partner.
Wouldn’t this offer be tempting to one pursuing worldly benefit?

On another occasion and in response to his uncle’s plea
to stop calling people to Islam, Muhammad’s answer was as decisive and
sincere: {I swear by the name of God, O Uncle!, that if they place
the sun in my right-hand and the moon in my left-hand in return for
giving up this matter (calling people to Islam), I will never desist
until either God makes it triumph or I perish defending it.}

googleboy5 Thu 25 Jun 2009, 6:28 pm

ChristianLady wrote:
Narrated Aisha: Magic was worked on Allah's
Apostle so that he used to think that he had sexual relations with his
wives while he actually had not. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71,
Number 660; see also Number 661)

The magic did NOT affect the revelations being sent to the prophet from the angel Gabriel.
Secondly, the prophet himself was conscious of the fact that something was wrong, as we read the hadith we see:
One day he invoked (Allah) for a long period and then said, "I feel that Allah has inspired me as how to cure myself
So as you can see the prophet
invoked and prayed to God for help and a cure, hence the prophet was
aware that there was something wrong, hence he was conscious of the
problem.
Now the next parts of the
hadith prove that Muhammad is indeed a true prophet, because remember
he asks Allah for help and a cure, and Allah hears the prophet's prayer
and helps him. We read:
Two persons came to me (in my dream)
and sat, one by my head and the other by my feet. One of them asked the
other, "What is the ailment of this man?" The other replied, 'He has
been bewitched" The first asked, 'Who has bewitched him?' The other
replied, 'Lubaid bin Al-A'sam.' The first one asked, 'What material has
he used?' The other replied, 'A comb, the hair gathered on it, and the
outer skin of the pollen of the male date-palm.' The first
asked, 'Where is that?' The other replied, 'It is in the well of
Dharwan.' " So, the Prophet went out towards the well and then returned
and said to me on his return, "Its date-palms (the date-palms near the
well) are like the heads of the devils."
So notice two persons come to
the prophet in a dream, two angels. As you can see the angels tell the
prophet where the materials for the bewitchment are, and the prophet
eventually goes to this location and sees it for himself.
Now one would think that the
prophet Muhammad would go and destroy the material to be freed from the
bewitchment, yet he does not! We read the most interesting part of the
hadith which says:
"Did you take out those things with which the magic was worked?" He said, "No, for I have been cured by Allah and I am afraid that this action may spread evil amongst the people." Later on the well was filled up with earth.
So notice the prophet Muhammad did not need to destroy the material, because God himself had cured the prophet!
So let us summarize what we have so far:
-evil magic was worked on the prophet
-the magic did not affect the revelations of the Quran
-the prophet asked Allah for help, which means he was conscious of a problem
-Allah sent two angels to the prophet in a dream
-the angels told Muhammad where to go to find the materials that were used
-the prophet goes to the location, but he does not destroy the materials
-Allah himself has cured the prophet Muhammad
So as you can see this
incident in the prophet's lifetime does NOT disprove his prophethood,
rather it is a great proof and evidence that he is a prophet! He asks
Allah for help, and Allah comes to his aid!
There is a whole moral and wisdom behind this story, and the wisdom behind this story is that if
we are afflicted with some sort of evil then we must look and turn to
Allah for the help and cure, because Allah is the only one who can
protect and save us. This is the entire basis of this incident, that we
put all our faith and trust in Allah.

ChristianLady Thu 25 Jun 2009, 11:22 pm

googleboy5 wrote:There is a whole moral and wisdom behind this story, and the wisdom behind this story is that if we are afflicted with some sort of evil then we must look and turn to Allah for the help and cure, because Allah is the only one who can protect and save us. This is the entire basis of this incident, that we put all our faith and trust in Allah.

Great moral. What a prophet who was not guarded by Allah. You wrote that the magic did not work on Mohammed.

googleboy5 wrote:Two persons came to me (in my dream) and sat, one by my head and the other by my feet. One of them asked the other, "What is the ailment of this man?" The other replied, 'He has been bewitched" The first asked, 'Who has bewitched him?' The other replied, 'Lubaid bin Al-A'sam.' The first one asked, 'What material has he used?' The other replied, 'A comb, the hair gathered on it, and the outer skin of the pollen of the male date-palm.' The first asked, 'Where is that?' The other replied, 'It is in the well of Dharwan.' " So, the Prophet went out towards the well and then returned and said to me on his return, "Its date-palms (the date-palms near the well) are like the heads of the devils."

It clearly says:

"What is the ailment of this man?" If magic did not work then why was he sick?
"Who has bewitched him"? The name is given 'Lubaid bin Al-A'sam'. If the magic did not work then why the name is mentioned?
"A comb, the hair gathered on it and the outer skin..." Whose hair were gathered in the comb?

Look at this
Muhammad’s bewitchment contradicts Allah’s promise that Satan will not be able to have any authority over his servants:

Surely, as regards My servants, YOU HAVE NO AUTHORITY OVER THEM except those who follow you of the deviators. Koran 15:42

When thou recitest the Koran, seek refuge in God from the accursed Satan; he has no authority over those who believe and trust in their Lord; his authority is over those who take him for their friend and ascribe associates to God. Koran 16:98-100

Moral of the story
Satan harmed Mohammed and Allah did not keep his promise. You say his bewitchment does not affect revelation but it does. It contradicts allah's claim of shelter against satan. If allah cannot gaurd his (as you all say) beloved prophet then Koran is no revelation for it did not work in Mohammed's life.

Conclusion

Allah promised that Satan would have no power over his true servants.
Muhammad was supposedly a true servant of God, and yet fell under Satan’s control.
Therefore, Allah wasn’t powerful enough to prevent his servant from falling under Satan’s authority and shows that Allah isn’t capable of fully keeping his promises.

"The seventy returned with joy, saying, ‘Lord, even the demons are subject to us in your name!’ And he said to them, ‘I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. Behold, I have given you authority to tread upon serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy; and nothing shall hurt you. Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you; but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.’" Luke 10:17-20

Even to the disciples of Jesus, satan was subject to them for Jesus gave them power and authority. For Mohammed no power and authority and he was delusional and had sexual experiences. What a magic - must be favorite of Mohammed's.

googleboy5 Sun 28 Jun 2009, 7:31 pm

ChristianLady wrote:
You wrote that the magic did not work on Mohammed

please read what i wrote
i said so
-evil magic was worked on the prophet
-the magic did not affect the revelations of the Quran
-the prophet asked Allah for help, which means he was conscious of a problem
-Allah sent two angels to the prophet in a dream
-the angels told Muhammad where to go to find the materials that were used
-the prophet goes to the location, but he does not destroy the materials
-Allah himself has cured the prophet Muhammad

ChristianLady wrote:
Surely, as regards My servants, YOU HAVE NO AUTHORITY OVER THEM except those who follow you of the deviators. Koran 15:42

When Allah said that He would protect His righteous servants from Satan
it is speaking about protection in an ultimate sense and that is from Satan's ability to misguide you.

all of us will be tested by
God, including the prophet himself, therefore it should not surprise us
if harm comes to the prophet, as the Quran says:
002.214YUSUFALI:
Or do ye think that ye shall enter the Garden (of bliss) without such
(trials) as came to those who passed away before you? they encountered
suffering and adversity, and were so shaken in spirit that even the
Messenger and those of faith who were with him cried: "When (will come)
the help of Allah?" Ah! Verily, the help of Allah is (always) near!

ChristianLady wrote:
Even to the disciples of Jesus, satan was subject to them for Jesus
gave them power and authority.

Jesus Prayed to GOD to not lead him into temptation:

Luke 22
39 Jesus went out as usual to the Mount of Olives, and his
disciples followed him.
40 On reaching the place, he said to them, "Pray that you will not fall
into temptation."
41 He withdrew about a stone's throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed,Luke 22
45 When he rose from prayer and went
back to the disciples, he found them asleep, exhausted from sorrow.
46 "Why are you sleeping?" he asked them. "Get up and pray so
that you will not fall into temptation."
Mark 14
37 Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping.
"Simon," he said to Peter, "are you asleep? Could you not keep watch for
one hour?
38 Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The
spirit is willing, but the body is weak."
39 Once more he went away and prayed the same thing.

Yet, the evil spirit tempted Jesus for forty days, despite Jesus'
Prayers:

"At once the Spirit sent him out into the desert, and
he was in the desert forty days, being tempted by Satan. He was with the wild
animals, and angels attended him. (From the NIV Bible,
Mark 1:12-13)"

Even the Holy Spirit couldn't prevent satan from tempting Jesus:

"Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit,
returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit in the desert, where for
forty days he was tempted by the devil. He ate nothing during those days, and
at the end of them he was hungry. (From the NIV Bible,
Luke 4:1-2)"

Jesus SUFFERED when he was tempted by satan:

Hebrews 2
17 For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in
every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to
God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people.
18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to
help those who are being tempted.

**Waqar Daniel** Mon 29 Jun 2009, 7:31 pm

You have great ability to misquote things totally out of context. What has temptation to do being bewitched? Everyone is tempted, even Jesus was tempted and He showed us how to defeat satan by quoting God's Word. Let me ask you, did anyone cast magic spell on Jesus?

There is a huge difference in being tempted and being under the magic spell. In temptation satan tries to over power a person but God protects if that person is a true follower. Under magic spell, satan over powers a person and that is why magic spell is successful because God's protection is not around that person.

ChristianLady wrote:Surely, as regards My servants, YOU HAVE NO AUTHORITY OVER THEM except those who follow you of the deviators. Koran 15:42

This verse talks of life on earth and life after. The question now here is that according to Koran 15:42, and according to the incident of a Jew casting a magic spell on Mohammed, did satan had authority over Mohammed for a period of time? If so then the promise of Allah failed.

second question

Narrated Hisham's father: ‘Aisha said, "Allah’s Apostle was bewitched, so he invoked Allah repeatedly requesting Him to cure him from that magic)."... (Hadith No. 658, Vol. 7) (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 75, Number 400)

Why Mohammed had to repeatedly request Allah to cure him from magic? Did Allah fail him?

googleboy5 Tue 30 Jun 2009, 6:29 pm

Daniel wrote:
Everyone is tempted, even Jesus was tempted

James 1
13When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting
me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;
14but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire
(so Jesus had evil desires
when he was tempted!!), he is dragged away and enticed.
15Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full
-grown, gives birth to death.

How can Jesus be the Creator of the Universe when he was tempted by
satan??!!!

for your ridiculous claims about magic i told you that
There is a whole moral and wisdom behind this story, and the wisdom behind this story is that if we are afflicted with some sort of evil then we must look and turn to Allah for the help and cure, because Allah is the only one who can
protect and save us. This is the entire basis of this incident, that we
put all our faith and trust in Allah

and that Muhammad is indeed a true prophet, because remember
he asks Allah for help and a cure, and Allah hears the prophet's prayer
and helps him

googleboy5 Tue 30 Jun 2009, 6:31 pm

now let me go back to the pornography in the bible which is our subject here

X-Rated Pornography in the Bible: Ezekiel23b

can you explain to me why we find this erotic imagery and inappropriate language in the bible
would it be appropriate for a parent to rent a pornographic video and
show it to his children below 8 years old, and all the time saying, “Do
not commit fornication, it is an evil and a sin to do so”? Would anyone
in their right mind do such a thing?

**Waqar Daniel** Wed 01 Jul 2009, 7:59 am

Thank you again for quoting your ignorance for you do not read Bible and you just watch videos of Zakir Naik and Ahmed Deedat. You really make it easy for me to answer all your false allegations.

You quoted James 1:13 and wrote

Derprinz/googleboy5 wrote:(so Jesus had evil desires when he was tempted!!),..How can Jesus be the Creator of the Universe when he was tempted by satan??!!!

First of all, do not insert your opinion in the verse to deceive others and let me quote the whole verse for you:

Blessed is the man who endures temptation, because having been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. Let no one being tempted say, I am tempted from God. For God is not tempted by evils, and He tempts no one. But each one is tempted by his lusts, being drawn away and seduced by them. Then when lust has conceived, it brings forth sin. And sin, when it is fully formed, brings forth death. (James 1:12-15)

The verse says that "Blessed is the man who endures temptation". The verse simply says that when some sins (here it is lust - sexual and for worldly things), he or she may not put blame on God that He tempted them because it was their own lust that made them do this. For when lust has conceived, it brings forth sin and when someone commits sin and then justifies it, it brings death on that person. Like in this modern world, people blame God for everything.

Now coming to Jesus' temptation by satan:

Satan speaking
And the Devil said to Him, If you are the Son of God, speak to this stone that it might become bread. (Luke 4:3)

Jesus' Reply
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written that "man shall not live by bread alone, but by every Word of God." (Luke 4:4)

Jesus spoke the Word of God to satan and showed us that satan has no power over us if we remember the Word of God. Mohammed as stated in (Hadith No. 658, Vol. 7) (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 75, Number 400) repeatedly requested Allah to cure him of the magic. Why didn't he speak Koran to satan and get healed?

Satan speaking
And the Devil, leading Him up into a high mountain, showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the Devil said to Him, All this power I will give you, and the glory of them; for it has been delivered to me. And I give it to whomever I will. Therefore if you will worship me, all shall be yours. (Luke 4:5-7)[/b]

Jesus' Reply
[color=blue]And Jesus answered and said to him, Get behind me, Satan! For it is written, "You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only shall you serve." (Luke 4:8)

Jesus commanded satan, why couldn't Mohammed do so and why he had to repeat his requests to Allah to heal him?

Satan speaking
And he brought Him to Jerusalem and sat Him on a pinnacle of the temple and said to Him, If you are the Son of God, cast yourself down from here. For it is written, "He shall give His angels charge over You, to keep You; and in their hands they shall bear You up, lest at any time You dash Your foot against a stone." (Luke 4:9-11)

Jesus' Reply
And Jesus answering said to him, It has been said, "You shall not tempt the Lord your God." (Luke 4:12)

Jesus taught us how to fight satan because after satan tried Jesus and finding no way to over power him with his lies, he left Jesus. This whole story tells us how to live our lives when satan tries to deceive us. It is necessary for Allah to put Mohammed under magic spell to teach you that in trouble you have to seek Allah's help? Don't you know this by faith?

Now coming to the bewitchment of Mohammed, I will quote the Bible here,

But each one is tempted by his lusts, being drawn away and seduced by them. Then when lust has conceived, it brings forth sin. And sin, when it is fully formed, brings forth death. (James 1:15)

Now let us look at the story of Mohammed as his wife Ayesha quoted
Narrated Aisha:Magic was worked on Allah's Apostle so that he used to think that he had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not (Sufyan said: That is the hardest kind of magic as it has such an effect). Then one day he said, "O ‘Aisha do you know that Allah has instructed me concerning the matter I asked Him about? Two men came to me and one of them sat near my head and the other sat near my feet. The one near my head asked the other, ‘What is wrong with this man?’ The latter replied he is under the effect of magic. The first one asked, ‘Who has worked magic on him?’ The other replied, ‘Labid bin Al-A’sam, a man from Bani Zuraiq who was an ally of the Jews and was a hypocrite.’ The first one asked, ‘What material did he use?’ The other replied, ‘A comb and the hair stuck to it.’ The first one asked, ‘Where (is that)?’ The other replied, ‘In a skin of pollen of a male date palm tree kept under a stone in the well of Dharwan.’" So the Prophet went to that well and took out those things and said, "That was the well which was shown to me (in a dream). Its water looked like the infusion of Henna leaves and its date-palm trees looked like the heads of devils." The Prophet added, "Then that thing was taken out." I said (to the Prophet) "Why do you not treat yourself with Nashra?" He said, "Allah has cured me; I dislike to let evil spread among my people." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 660)

The verse you have quoted from the Bible of James 1:13, Mohammed dreamt of sexual intercourse with his wives when he had not. Now the verse you quoted says that it is a man's lust that makes him fall. And then that desire makes a person to sin and to die.

How can you compare Mohammed's bewitchment with Jesus' temptation? Jesus came out victorious telling us how to stand in front of satan by quoting the verses from the Bible. In the end Jesus simply commanded satan to leave Him and he did so. Why couldn't Mohammed do so? Mohammed was under magic spell and he begged repeatedly to Allah to cure him. Why was satan able to over power him? Was it due to his lust as the Bible puts?

Derprinz/googleboy5 wrote:can you explain to me why we find this erotic imagery and inappropriate language in the bible would it be appropriate for a parent to rent a pornographic video and show it to his children below 8 years old, and all the time saying, “Do
not commit fornication, it is an evil and a sin to do so”? Would anyone in their right mind do such a thing?

Maybe the eight year old may not have such sick mind like yours. You will object to this because you will have fornication and sexual pleasures before the very eyes of your Allah in paradise.

Anyhow, God has only used human language and has showed how disgraceful are the actions of kingdom of Judah and Israel in His sight. The whole imagery here talks of how God hates idolatry to the extent that He calls idolaters as whores. Idolaters being in sin as whores expose their intentions.

In short, Ezekiel 23:1-49. Israel's and Judah's Sin and Punishment Are Parabolically Portrayed under the Names Aholah and Aholibah.

The imagery is similar to that in the sixteenth chapter; but here the reference is not as there so much to the breach of the spiritual marriage covenant with God by the people's idolatries, as by their worldly spirit, and their trusting to alliances with the heathen for safety, rather than to God.

You should be more worried about the prophet you follow:
Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah be pleased with him) reported: We took women captives, and we wanted to do 'azl with them. We then asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) about it, and he said to us: Verily you do it, verily you do it, verily you do it, but the soul which has to be born until the Day of judgment must be born. (emphasis added) Sahih Muslim Book 8 Number 3373

Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born. Sahih Muslim Book 8 Number 3371

Your ignorance has made you think foolishly.

Pastor Wed 01 Jul 2009, 2:00 pm

Dear brother, I do not know what are you trying to prove. If you think that Koran is word of God then believe with all your heart and soul. Practice your religion with all your heart and soul and search for spirituality as your religion instructs you. I believe debates will not benefit you as you will get more and more negative.

Ezekiel 23 as have tried to show does not promote any nudity but - In this parable, Samaria and Israel bear the name Aholah, "her own tabernacle;" because the places of worship those kingdoms had, were of their own devising. Jerusalem and Judah bear the name of Aholibah, "my tabernacle is in her," because their temple was the place which God himself had chosen, to put his name there. The language and figures are according to those times. Will not such humbling representations of nature keep open perpetual repentance and sorrow in the soul, hiding pride from our eyes, and taking us from self-righteousness? Will it not also prompt the soul to look to God continually for grace, that by his Holy Spirit we may mortify the deeds of the body, and live in holy conversation and godliness?

I do not find anything so crude the way you are putting. You cannot win anyone with hatred but with love only.

ChristianLady Wed 01 Jul 2009, 5:29 pm

Ezekiel 23:1-4

Oholah symbolizes Samaria, which in turn represents Israel—the northern ten tribes. Oholibah symbolizes Jerusalem, which in turn represents Judah—the southern two tribes.

It also becomes clear from these two chapters that the symbolism (woman=city, nation) also symbolizes women of vile character and reputation, even though at times the symbol might represent the church that the blood of Jesus Christ has made clean.

Isaiah, Jeremiah, and especially Ezekiel and Hosea use this same metaphorical form to illustrate Israel's faithless relationship with God, connecting directly to the same usage in Revelation 17 and 18. Why is this important? Virtually the entire Bible is devoted to God's purpose for and relationship to Israel and the church. They are the focus of God's intention to reproduce Himself, beginning with His promises and then His covenant with Abraham. God went so far as to enter into a symbolic marriage with Israel, the physical descendants of Abraham, revealing the intimacy He considered their relationship to have.

He did this with no other nation. Even when the time came to summon Gentiles into His purpose, the great bulk of those called into the church have been Israelites dwelling among fellow Israelites in Israelitish lands. A person even becomes a spiritual Jew when converted! God's pattern of focusing on Israel continues throughout the Bible to the end-time prophecies. We live in the end time, and God's concern in Revelation, the ultimate end-time book, does not turn from this pattern. God's purpose for the nation of Israel is not yet complete, as Romans 9-11 makes clear.

Thus Israel, the physical descendants of Abraham, and the church, the Israel of God, Abraham's spiritual descendants, are still His major focus. Other parts of the Bible reveal that Israel has fully earned the title of "the Great Harlot Babylon" even as she has earned the titles of "Sodom" and "Egypt."

The Great Harlot of Revelation 17 and 18 is not a Gentile church or a Gentile nation because neither of these has ever qualified for that title by corrupting a covenant relationship with God as Israel has. Of this, God says in Amos 3:2, "You only have I known of all the families of the earth; therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities." Having done only what comes naturally without the revelation of God, the Gentile world will have its opportunity to have a covenant relationship with Him following Christ's return.

In defiance of God, Israel has rebelled against her responsibilities and played the harlot with the world. She has embraced its ways to such an extent that she has outdone the Gentiles in their manner of life, becoming appropriately named "Babylon the Great." In Revelation 17 and 18, God is describing the influence and character of end-time Israel. He depicts all of Israel in close relationship with the Beast, influencing it, but with the two Joseph tribes, America (Manasseh) and Britain (Ephraim), as the Woman's strongest components—and perhaps America is the one primarily described, as it is the most influential at the end.

Source: Forerunner Commentary

slave4christ Wed 01 Jul 2009, 5:56 pm

The Context of Ezekiel 23

In Ezekiel 23, the prophet condemns the immorality of both Samaria of Northern Israel (23:4,5-10) and Jerusalem of Judah (23:4,11-21). In summarizing the history of these Israelite cities, God likens them to two sisters who became harlots at a young age (23:3,19) and continued their practice to an old age (23:43). Instead of being faithful to God, they constantly turned their affections to nations like Egypt (23:3) and embraced all of their idols and false worship.

The people of Samaria also became infatuated with the might and religion of Assyria (23:5-7), and incorporated its immorality into their lives. Meanwhile they never gave up their lust for Egypt (23:8).

God would punish Samaria by delivering her "into the hands of the Assyrians, for whom she lusted" (23:9-10). In other words, God allowed this foreign nation, with whom she was fascinated, to execute judgment upon her for her sin.

At the time Ezekiel spoke these words, the nation of Samaria had already been punished for its sin and destroyed by the Assyrians. The prophet speaks of this as an example lesson to the Israelites in Jerusalem. He then declared that Jerusalem herself had become defiled by a lust for the sin of Egypt (23:19-21), Assyria (23:12) and Babylon (23:14-18). She not only followed in "the same way" of unfaithfulness as her sister Samaria (23:13), she became more corrupt (23:11). Thus God would likewise punish her (23:22-35). As God sent the Assyrians to destroy Samaria in 721 B.C., He sent the Babylonians to level Jerusalem in 586 B.C.

JesusSaves Wed 01 Jul 2009, 6:05 pm

Idolatry is symbolized as "Adultery" as we see its application in:

Jeremiah 3:8-9
And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also. And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks.

Jeremiah 5:7
How shall I pardon thee for this? thy children have forsaken me, and sworn by them that are no gods: when I had fed them to the full, they then committed adultery, and assembled themselves by troops in the harlots' houses.

Ezekiel 23:37
Thus will I make thy lewdness to cease from thee, and thy whoredom brought from the land of Egypt: so that thou shalt not lift up thine eyes unto them, nor remember Egypt any more.

This whole chapter implies disgraceful act of kingdoms of Israel and Judah and God showed their actions as lewdness. Even to this day lewdness is a great disrespect to towards any person or nation. Ezekiel 23 is only a simile and does not promote pornography and moreover, God above all these things. First try to understand the context and the language and how language was used in those times.