Creation of the universe according to the Bible

The Bible speaks about the creation of the universe. In the beginning, 1st Book,
Book of Genesis, 1st Ch., it is mentioned -
It says…
‘Almighty God created the Heavens and the Earth, in six days and talks about a evening and a morning, referring to a 24 - hour day.
Today scientists tell us, that the universe cannot be created in a 24
hour period of six days. Qur’an too speaks about six ‘ayyams’. The
Arabic word singular is ‘yaum’ plural is ‘ayyam’. It can either mean a
day of 24 hours, or it is a very long period, an ‘yaum’, an epoch.
Scientists say we have no objection in agreeing that the universe - it
could have been created in 6 very long periods.

Point No.2 - Bible says in Genesis Ch. No. 1 Verses No. 3 and 5,…
‘Light was created on the first day.’
enesis, Ch., 1 Verses, 14 to 19… ‘The cause of light - stars and the sun, etc. was created on the fourth day’.
How can the cause of light be created on the 4th day - later than the light which came into existence on the first day? - It is unscientific.

Point No.3
Further, the, Bible says
Genesis, Ch. 1, Verses 9 to 13… ‘Earth was created on the 3rd day. How
can you have a night and day without the earth ? The day depends upon
the rotation of the Earth Without the earth created, how can you have a
night and day?

Point No..4,
Genesis, Ch. No. 1 Verses 9 to 13 says… ‘Earth was created on the third day.’ Genesis Ch. No. 1 Verses 14 to 19 says…‘The Sun and the Moon were created on the fourth day.’
Today science tells us… ‘Earth is part of the parent body… the sun.’ It cannot come into existence before the sun – It is unscientific.

Point No. 5,
the Bible says in Genesis, Ch. No.1, Verse No. 11 to 13…‘The vegetation, the herbs the shrubs, the trees - they were created on the 3rd day And the Sun, Genesis, Ch. No. 1, Verses. 14 to 19, was created on the 4th day.

How can the vegetation come into existence without sunlight, and how can they survive without sunlight ?

Point No.6,
that the Bible says in Genesis, Ch. 1, Verses No.16, that…‘God created two lights the greater light, the Sun to rule the day, and the lesser light the Moon, to rule the night.
The actual translation, if you go to the Hebrew text, it is ‘lamps’…‘Lamps having lights of its own.’
And that you will come to know better, if you read both the Verses –
Genesis, Ch. No.1, Verse. 16, as well as 17. Verse No.17 says…‘And Almighty God placed them in the firmament, to give light to the earth… To give light to the earth.’ Indicating,
that Sun and the Moon has its own light - which is in contradiction
with established scientific knowledge that we have.

you may say that the six days mentioned in the Bible, it actually
refers to epocs - like the Qur’an long periods - not six, 24 hour day.
It is illogical - you read in the Bible, evening, morning - It clearly
states 24 hours, it indicates. But even if I use the concordance
approach - no problem. I agree - Yet they will only be able to solve
the 1st scientific error of 6 days creation, and second, of first day
‘light’ and 3rd day ‘earth.’ The remaining four, yet they cannot solve.


You may say that … ‘If it is a 24-hour period, why cannot the vegetables survive for one 24 hour day without sunlight?’

I say ‘Fine - If you say that the vegetables were created before the sun, and can survive for one 24-hour day, I have got no objection. But you cannot say the days mentioned are 24 hours as well as epochs -

If you say it is long period, you solve Point No.1 and 3, the remaining
4 are yet there. If you say the days are 24 hours day, you solve only
Point No.5 - the remaining 5 are yet there - It becomes unscientific.

I leave it to you , whether you want to say… ‘It is long
period’, and say that there are only 4 scientific errors - or say… ‘It
is a 24 hour day’, and say there is only 5 scientific errors in the
creation of the universe.

there are many which i can mention but for the time i will say first answer these 6

so can u answer that please
i am begging you

1-creation of the Universe in six 24 hours days
2-Light before it's source
3-day created before earth
4-earth created before sun
5-vegetation created before sun
6-Light of the moon is it's own light

Bible is right and science is wrong ?
so you are telling me that this is right:
1-creation of the Universe in six 24 hours days
2-Light before it's source
3-day created before earth
4-earth created before sun
5-vegetation created before sun
6-Light of the moon is it's own light

GoogleBoy said:
Bible is right and science is wrong ?
so you are telling me that this is right:
1-creation of the Universe in six 24 hours days
2-Light before it's source
3-day created before earth
4-earth created before sun
5-vegetation created before sun
6-Light of the moon is it's own light

I am not answering all of those points but for #1 yes, for #2, it has been confirmed that there was light before the sun. And for #6, yes the moon used to shine. After the flood it went out of course because of the major catastrophic events that took place during that time period in which the sun lost its brightness, all nature became smaller, the water in the firmament came down which produced other changes and the moon went under catastrophy as well, causing its light to go out altogether. The turmoil the moon went through can be seen through the craters and rockiness of it.

God bless.

this is really amazing
everytime i say something in the bible i didn't get answer and you attack quran
i will comment on that but
let us first finish with what the bible say about creation
and remember if the bible is the word of God there shouldn't have mistakes and contradictions with science ok ?
let me tell you Daniel that you are a funny person
yo didn't reply to any point except number one which is Universe is created in six days 24 hours which is scientifically wrong
you just stated some facts ( it is simple science that hydrogen and oxygen makes water; temperature was about a billion (one thousand million; 109; SI prefix giga) Kelvin and the density was about that of air ;The big bang theory says that stars, sun, moon etc came into existence after quite a while etc...)
so you know big bang
Science says the beginning of our Universe occurred 13.7 billion years ago with the Big Bang,
and the bible says six days !!!!!

ok i understand that you approve that
2-Light before it's source
3-day created before earth
4-earth created before sun
5-vegetation created before sun
6-Light of the moon is it's own light

Daniel wrote :
The big bang theory says that stars, sun, moon etc came into existence after quite a while. So strange, now you should belive in Bible as it says same...
Now instead of deceiving others with your remarks, prove that Theory of Big Bang does not say this

Stop lying and deceiving others with your remarks
go ask your teacher in school
were do you see that science say
2-Light before it's source
3-day created before earth
4-earth created before sun
5-vegetation created before sun
6-Light of the moon is it's own light

were the theory of big bang say that earth come before sun ??!!!!!!!!!!!!
i want an answer Daniel if you don't know just say i don't know like Dr Campbell said in the video below
if anyone else has comment i am waiting before we move to comment on the issue that Daniel (who don't like interfaith-dialogue but he started and said to my friend derprinz why he is not a muslim and if you see he is the one who always start attacking Quran and then i reply) raised about verses in Quran

i am going to be absent for a while because i have some things to do
i hope when i return all points will be clarified by Daniel or any other member
and let me clarify something i am not here to hurt anybody's feelings or something like that and i am sorry if i have done anything wrong ,i really didn't mean to hurt anybody feelings
i only thought we will discuss and share some ideas

here a video i want to offer for you discussing The Quran and the Bible in the Light of Science between the christian Dr Campbell and the muslim Dr Zakir
http://www.archive.org/download/The_Quran_and_the_Bible_in_the_Light_of_Science_truthwaytv/The_Quran_and_the_Bible_in_the_Light_of_Science_Medium_truthwaytv.wmv
taken from http://english.truthway.tv/zakirnaik/index.html

What was created first, earth or heaven?

Daniel wrote:
What was created first, earth or heaven?
Koran 2:29
It is He who hath created for you all things that
are on earth; THEN he turned to the heaven and
made them into seven firmaments...
Koran 79:27-30
What! Are ye the more difficult to create of
heaven (above)? (Allah) hath constructed it...
and after that he extended (created) the earth
to a wide expanse.

the earth could not possibly be the first thing created in the sequence because 79:27-30 states that in no uncertain terms beyond a shadow of a doubt that Allah created the heavens before the earth. Hence, these verses are not a sequential account of the 6 periods of creation and thus must be viewed both jointly and severally in relation to the whole Quranic account of creation. The word "then" in verses 2:29 and 41:11 is "Tumma"; it can mean "and also or moreover."
Many translators of the Quran incorrectly use the word "then." The sentence structure clearly breaks and the facts are separate accounts.
Yusuf Ali:
It is He Who hath created for you all things that are on earth; Moreover His design comprehended the heavens, for He gave order and perfection to the seven firmaments; and of all things He hath perfect knowledge.

One of the foremost reasons for the Qur'an's continued incorruptibility is that it has been preserved in its original language, unlike the Bible.
No one in the Muslim world has ever thought to supersede it with a translation

and remember
each time we are told that creation is completed in six
periods the word heaven always precedes the word earth

POSSIBLE DESCRIPTION OF EVENTS

PERIODS 1
THE BIG BANG CAME FIRST -The big bang occurred as a result of massive energy.Plasma eventually was formed.
21:30 "Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the earth were
joined together, but we have opened them."- Translation M.H. SHAKIR, YUSAF ALI
(THE HEAVEN AND EARTH WERE IN A FORM (PLASMA) AND DEFINITELY NOT IN THE FORM WE
PRESENTLY SEE THEM OTHERWISE HOW COULD THEY HAVE BEEN JOINED? HOWEVER ALLAH INSISTS ON
ADDRESSING THEM AS EARTH AND HEAVEN. THUS, IT FOLLOWS WHEN ALLAH SPEAKS OF EARTH AND
HEAVEN THEY ARE NOT NECESSARILY TO BE CONSTRUED AS FULLY DEVELOPED ENTITIES AS WE KNOW
THEM, FOR THEY WERE IN AN "OPENED" STATE.)

PERIOD 2

THEN CAME A VAPOR/GAS THAT WAS DESTINED TO BE THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH DURING THIS
"OPEN" STATE -Plasma later cooled to gases (helium and hydrogen).
41:11 Moreover, he directed himself to the heaven and it is a vapor, so he
said to it and to the earth Come both, willingly or unwillingly. They both said: We come
willingly." –Translation M.H. SHAKIR, YUSAF ALI
(THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH ALL BEING PART OF THE SAME GAS/VAPOR (OR "OPENED"
ENTITY) AS DESCRIBED ABOVE WERE DESTINED TO "COME WILLINGLY"
INTO EXISTENCE. MOREOVER, SINCE WE ARE TOLD IN 79:27 THAT THE CREATION OF THE
HEAVEN CLEARLY PREDATED THAT OF THE EARTH, THE EARTH MUST HAVE BEEN PART OF THIS PRIMORDIAL MATTER AND DEFINITELY NOT DEVELOPED. NO SKEPTIC CAN RATIONALLY DENY THIS, OTHERWISE THE SENTENCE WOULD NOT MAKE SENSE: SHALL WE SAY THAT WHEN ALLAH SAID, "DO YOU COME WILLINGLY" HE INTENDED TO RE-IMPLODE THE BIG BANG!)

PERIODS 3 AND 4
THE CREATION OF THE HEAVENS -Eventually, the gasses condensed into the stars.
41:12 "So he ordained them seven heavens in two periods,
and revealed in every heaven its affair; and We adorned the lower heaven with brilliant stars
and made it to guard; that is the decree of the Mighty, the knowing."
-Translation M.H. SHAKIR
67:3 "God is the one who created seven heavens one above another." -
TranslationM.H. SHAKIR
THE EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE
51:47 "With power and skill did we construct the heaven: For it is we who
expand the vastness of Space." -Translation YUSAF ALI, MAURICE BUCAILLE.

PERIODS 5 AND 6
EARTH IS COMPLETED AFTER THE HEAVENS -Stars eventually exploded and recondensed over numerous cycles, forming the heavy elements that later condensed into planets.
79:27-30 "Are you the harder to create or the heaven? He made it. He raised
high its height, then put it into a right good state. And he made dark its night and
brought out its light. And the earth, he expanded it after that."-Translation
M.H. SHAKIR
41:9 "Say: What! Do you indeed disbelieve in him who created the earth in two
periods, and do you set up equals with Him? That is the Lord of the Worlds." –
Translation M.H. SHAKIR
41:10 "He set on (the earth). Mountains standing firm, High above it, And
bestowed blessings on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment
in due proportion, in four periods, in accordance with (the needs of) those who
seek (sustenance)." -Translation YUSAF ALI
(THE FOUR PERIODS DESCRIBED IN THIS VERSE COULD BE SUB-PERIODS OF THE PRIMARY TWO PERIODS DESCRIBED IN 41:9)

A DESCRIPTION OF HOW GOD CREATED THE EARTH AND A SEPARATE DESCRIPTION OF HOW HE CREATED
THE HEAVEN. NO SEQUENCE OF EVENTS IS ESTABLISHED FROM THIS VERSE.
2:29 "He it is who created for you all that is in the earth (I.E 41:10); and
also he directed himself to the heaven, so he made them complete seven heavens (I.E
41:12)" – Translation M.H. SHAKIR

Why Mountains Were Created

Daniel wrote :
Koran clearly explains that mountains were set on the earth so that the
earth does not shake when earthquakes take place. Amazing science!
Koran 21:31
And We have set on the earth firm mountains, lest it should shake with them
Koran 16:15
And He has cast onto the earth firm mountains lest it should shake with you..
Koran 31:10
He
has created the heavens without supports that you can see, and has cast
onto the earth firm mountains lest it should shake with you..
Its
very obvious that Mohammed was completely ignorant about the geological
reasoning for existence of mountains. He saw that mountains are huge
and heavy. So a good way to explain their existence is to say that
mountains prevent earthquakes. Great science friend!

The Qur'an draws attention to a very important geological function of
mountains:

We placed firmly embedded mountains on the earth, so
it would not move under them… (Qur'an, 21:31)

The verse states that mountains perform the function of preventing shocks
in the Earth. This fact was not known by anyone at the time the Qur'an
was revealed. It was, in fact, brought to light only recently, as a result
of the findings of modern geological research.
A book named 'Earth' is
considered as a basic
reference textbook on geology in many universities around the world.
One of the authors of
this book is Frank Press, who was the President of the Academy of
Sciences in the USA for
12 years and was the Scientific Advisor to former US President Jimmy
Carter. In
this book he illustrates the mountain in a wdge-shape and
the mountain itself as a small part of the whole, whose root is deeply
entrenched in the
ground. {Earth, Press and Siever,
p.435. Also see Earth Science,
Tarbuck and Lutgens, p. 157} According to Dr. Press, the mountains play
an important role in
stabilizing the crust of the earth.

Formerly, it was thought that mountains were merely
protrusions rising above the surface of the Earth. However, scientists
realised that this was not actually the case, and that those parts known
as the mountain root extended down as far as 10-15 times their own height.
With these features, mountains play a similar role to a nail or peg firmly
holding down a tent. For example, Mount Everest, the summit of which stands
approximately 9 km above the surface of the Earth, has a root deeper than
125 km

	Mountains have roots deep under the surface of the ground. (Press and Siever, Earth, 413.)
	Schematic section. Mountains, like pegs, have deep roots embedded in the ground. (Andre Cailleux and J. Moody Stuart, Anatomy of the Earth (McGraw-Hill Companies: 1968), 220.)
	Another illustration shows how mountains are peg-like in shape, due to their deep roots. (Edward J. Tarbuck and Frederick K. Lutgens, Earth Science (USA: Macmillan USA: 1993), 158.)

Mountains emerge as a result of the movements and collisions of massive
plates forming the Earth's crust. When two plates collide, the stronger
one slides under the other, the one on the top bends and forms heights
and mountains. The layer beneath proceeds under the ground and makes a
deep extension downward. Consequently, as stated earlier, mountains have
a portion stretching downwards, as large as their visible parts on the
Earth.
In a scientific text, the structure of mountains is described as follows:

Where continents are thicker, as in mountain ranges,
the crust sinks deeper into the mantle.25

Professor Siaveda, a world-renowned underwater geologist, made the following
comment in reference to the way that mountains have root-like stalks attaching
them to the surface:

The fundamental difference between continental mountains
and the oceanic mountains lies in its material... But the common denominator
on both mountains are that they have roots to support the mountains.
In the case of continental mountains, light-low density material from
the mountain is extended down into the earth as a root. In the case
of oceanic mountains, there is also light material supporting the mountain
as a root... Therefore, the function of the roots are to support the
mountains according to the law of Archimedes.26

Furthermore, a book titled Earth, by Dr. Frank
Press, former president of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, which
is still used as a text book in a great many universities, states that
mountains are like stakes, and are buried deep under the surface of the
Earth.27
In other verses, this role of the mountains is pointed out by a comparison
with "pegs":

Have We not made the earth as a bed and the mountains
its pegs? (Qur'an, 78:6-7)

In another verse it is revealed that Allah "made the mountains
firm." (Qur'an, 79:32) The word "arsaha" in this verse means
"was made rooted, was fixed, was nailed to the earth." Similarly, mountains
extend to the surface layer joining lines on and below the surface, and
nail these together. By fixing the Earth's crust they prevent any sliding
over the magma layer or amongst the layers themselves. In short, mountains
can be compared to nails holding strips of wood together. The fixing effect
of mountains is known as isostasy in scientific literature. Isostasy is
the state of equilibrium between the upward force created by the mantle
layer and the downward force created by the Earth's crust. As mountains
lose mass due to erosion, soil loss or melting of glaciers, they can gain
mass from the formation of glaciers, volcanic explosions or soil formation.
Therefore, as mountains grow lighter they are pressed upwards by the raising
force implemented by the liquids. Alternatively, as they grow heavier
they are pressed into the mantle by the force of gravity. Equilibrium
between these two forces is established by isostasy. This balancing property
of mountains is described in these terms in a scientific source:

G.B Airy in 1855 suggested that the crust of the earth
could be likened to rafts of timber floating on water. Thick pieces
of timber float higher above the water surface than thin pieces and
similarly thick sections of the earth's crust will float on a liquid
or plastic substratum of greater density. Airy was suggesting that mountains
have a deep root of lower density rock which the plains lack. Four years
after Airy published his work, J.H Pratt offered an alternative hypothesis...
By this hypothesis rock columns below mountains must have a lower density,
because of their greater length, than shorter rock columns beneath plains.
Both Airy and Pratt's hypothesis imply that surface irregularities are
balanced by differences in density of rocks below the major features
(mountains and plains) of the crust. This state of BALANCE is described
as the concept of ISOSTASY.28

Today, we know that the rocky external layer of the Earth's surface is
riven by deep faults and split into plates swimming above the molten lava.
Since the Earth revolves very quickly around its own axis, were it not
for the fixing effect of the mountains, these plaques would shift. In
such an event, soil would not collect on the Earth's surface, water would
not accumulate in the soil, no plants could grow, and no roads or houses
could be built. In short, life on Earth would be impossible. Through the
mercy of Allah, however, mountains act like nails, and to a large extent,
prevent movement in the Earth's surface.

We subjected the mountains to glorify [Allah] with him in the evening and at sunrise. (Qur’an, 38:18) He cast firmly embedded mountains on the earth so it would not move under you, and rivers and pathways so that hopefully you would be guided. (Qur’an, 16:15)

This vital role of mountains, which has been discovered by modern geological
and seismic research, was revealed in the Qur'an centuries ago as an example
of the supreme wisdom in Allah's creation.

… [He] cast firmly embedded mountains on the earth
so that it would not move under you… (Qur'an, 31:10)

Daniel wrote:
Koran 10:5
It is He who made the sun to be a shining glory and
the moon to be a light...

Koran says, moon has its own light. Excellent science!

my friend derprinz already explained that
see https://christian-talk.forumotion.com/contradictions-in-the-bible-f27/scientific-errors-in-the-bible-t3075.htm#6677

"He it is Who appointed the sun a splendour and the moon a light, and
measured for her stages, that ye might know the number of the years,
and the reckoning. Allah created not (all) that save in truth. He
detaileth the revelations for people who have knowledge " (Noble Quran, 10:5)

We find in Tafsir (interpretation of) Ibn Kahir
He created the night with its darkness and the day with its light,
and they alternate without ceasing.

And He created the sun with its shining light, and the moon with
its reflected light. and He allotted their stages and
gave them separate orbits in the heavens."
http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=41&tid=46752

So why would Ibn Kathir come up with this statement, many
centuries before man discovered that the earth was spherical and
that the moon does indeed reflect the sun's light? Well,
according to
1. Lisan Al-Arab dictionary [1] , Book 3, Pages
805, 808.
2. Al-Muheet dictionary [2], Page 454.
3. Al-Muajam Al-Waseet dictionary [3], Page 962.
4. Al-Mawrid dictionary Arabic-English section
[4], Page 1196.
5. Arabic-English dictionary the Hans Wehr
dictionary [6], Page 1008, 1009.

Transliteration:
[10:005] Huwa allathee jaAAala alshshamsa diyaan
waalqamara nooran waqaddarahu manazila litaAAlamoo
AAadada alssineena waalhisaba ma khalaqa Allahu thalika
illa bialhaqqi yufassilu al-ayati liqawmin yaAAlamoona

(noor): (bayyan)
reveal, reflect.
(istanaara
bihi):
(istamadda shu'aaa'uh) was supplied by its light.
(anaara al-makaan): (wada'aa feehi
al-noor) Put light into it, or reflected light off of
it.
(nawwarat al-shajarah wa anaarat aydan):
(akhrajat
nooraha) The plant reflected the light off of itself, or it
showed the light off of itself. However, plants, as we
know, are not a source of light.
(anaara al-nabtu): (tha-hara wa
hasan) the plant was revealed well from light.


نور

(noor): be revealed, to be lighted,
to receive light.
So clearly, when Allah Almighty Said that the sun is

(diyaa'a), a source of light, and the moon a

, then clearly the moon:
1-
Is reflecting to light, because it is (was supplied
by light), as this is the meaning of
, which is derived
from the root word
noor.
2- Is reflecting to light,
because it is (was revealed well from light) , as this is the meaning of
anara , as in anara al bayt.
3- Is reflecting to light,
because
it receives light from the sun and
it is lighted and revealed by it.
So which light is the moon reflecting? It is reflecting
to the sun's
(diyaa'a). Again,
, and the moon is the noor نورا
to that diyaa'

ضياء of the sun!

Please do explain the verse below. Are you ashamed of this verse?

Koran 22:52-53
And
We did not send before you any apostle or prophet, but when he desired,
the Shaitan made a suggestion respecting his desire; but Allah annuls
that which the Shaitan casts, then does Allah establish His
communications, and Allah is Knowing, Wise, So that He may make what
the Shaitan casts a trial for those in whose hearts is disease and
those whose hearts are hard; and most surely the unjust are in a great
opposition.

i told you before let we see first how you understood it
https://christian-talk.forumotion.com/discussion-on-bible-f19/the-concept-of-trinity-t3122.htm#6892
now let me tell you that :
Prophets and messengers (the distinction is explained in n. 2503 to xix. 51) are but human. Their actions are righteous and their motives pure. But in judging things from a human point of view, the suggestion may come to their mind (from Satan) that it would be good to have power or wealth or influence for furthering Allah's cause, or that it may be good to conciliate some faction which may be irreconcilable. In fact, in Allah's Plan, it may be the opposite. Allah, in His mercy and inspiration, will cancel any false or vain suggestions of this kind, and confirm and strengthen His own Commands and make known His Will in His Signs or revelations. (Yusuf Ali Commentary on the Quran, Commentary on Surah 22:52)

Daniel wrote:
According to you and muslim scholars as I understand from your
response. Noor (Nur) means reflected light. Now let me show how wrong
you are. There are 99 names of Allah and one of his names is An-NUR
(Koran 24:35)
Koran 24:35 Allah is the Light of the heavens and the
earth. The Parable of His Light is as if there were a Niche and within
it a Lamp: the Lamp enclosed in Glass: the glass as it were a brilliant
star: Lit from a blessed Tree, an Olive, neither of the east nor of the
west, whose oil is well-nigh luminous, though fire scarce touched it:
Light upon Light! Allah doth guide whom He will to His Light: Allah
doth set forth Parables for men: and Allah doth know all things.
So
if I use your logic that "Nur" means reflected light, or to receive
light and so on as you have explained, then the question is If Allah's
name is An-Nur"" then from whom is he receiving light? or whose
reflected is he?

If you read the Verse - it says that it is like a parable of a nitche - In the nitche there is a lamp. Lamp has a light of its own. That means, Allah has light of its own, as well as that light of its own, is also being reflected. The light of Allah Subhnawataala is again being reflected by Allah Subhanawataala himself, like a halogen lamp that you see here - It has a tube in between. The lamp you can refer to that, as a ‘Siraj’ or a ‘Wahaj’ or a ‘Dia.’ And the reflector as ‘Munir’ or ‘Nur’, borrowed light or ‘reflection of light.’ And further more, but natural this light - actually does not refer to the physical light you are talking about - It is a spiritual light of Allah Subhnawataala

Daniel wrote:
Do mountains prevent earthquakes? Geology proves to us that movement of
tectonic plates, or earthquake itself causes mountains to be formed.
Besides, we know very well that, every year several dozens of
earthquakes happen on earth. Then what is the result of Allah’s
promise? Can we believe that, Mountains are there to prevent earthquake?

Nowhere does the Qur’an say that mountains prevent earthquake. The Arabic word for ‘earthquake’ as Dr. William Campbell knows Arabic, is ‘zilzaal’ or ‘zalzala’- But the words used in these three Verses I quoted, it is ‘Tamida.’ ‘Tamida’ means ‘to shake’, ‘to ‘sway’, ‘to swing.’ And Qur’an says in Surah Luqman, Ch. 31, Verse No. 10, as well as Surah Nahl, Ch. No. 16 Verse No. 15…‘We have put on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it would shake with you. It is ‘tamide bikum’…‘Shake with you’, Indicating, if the mountains were not there, if you would have walked, if you would have moved, even the earth would have moved with you - If you would have swayed, even the earth would have swayed with you.
read what i told you before
A book named 'Earth' is considered as a basic
reference textbook on geology in many universities around the world.
One of the authors of this book is Frank Press, who was the President of the Academy of Sciences in the USA for 12 years and was the Scientific Advisor to former US President Jimmy Carter. In this book he illustrates the mountain in a wdge-shape and the mountain itself as a small part of the whole, whose root is deeply entrenched in the ground. {Earth, Press and Siever, p.435. Also see Earth Science, Tarbuck and Lutgens, p. 157} According to Dr. Press, the mountains play an important role in stabilizing the crust of the earth
you can ask Dr.Press(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Press) if you have more question
what i am wondering about is that nobody here is telling me how can an illiterate man, 1400 years ago, without any scientific background and living in a backward civilisation know such things ??

Koran 2:29
It is He who hath created for you all things that
are on earth; THEN he turned to the heaven and
made them into seven firmaments...
You have described Big Bang Theory from Koran. The Big Bang Theory talks of
the universe and not separating of heaven and earth. Therefore the
whole explanation is irrelevant and the question remains the same. This
verse clearly talks of creating earth first and then heavens. Even if I
use "Moreover" as you suggested the context will not change. Let me use
"Moreover".
It is He who hath created for you all things that are on earth; MOREOVER the he turned to the heaven and made them into seven firmaments...
The context does not change as you have tried to change. Suddenly the Arabic meaning changes to your view point. Amazing!

Regarding the origin of the universe, the most dominant and accurate theory so far has been the big bang theory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
It was proposed by Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître in 1927.
http://ask.yahoo.com/20001027.html
According to this theory the entire universe was a
compact ball of hot swirling gases. Every Galaxy, star, planet, comet
and planetary dust (EVERYTHING) was included in this single unit.
Later, this single unit was subjected to a massive and tremendous
explosion that was caused by the enormity of the existing forces of
magnanimous proportions within itself. This explosion is termed as the Big Bang by the scientists.
I am very sure that you knew all this in your high school itself. But what is so amazing is that this theory was proposed only in 1927 while the Quran had it already 1400 years ago.
Check this out: -
“Have not the unbelievers ever considered that the skies and the earth were once one mass, then We split them asunder?” noble Quran 21:30 (Malik Translation)
The miracle here is self evident my friend. Quran says that “skies and the earth were once one mass” meaning that they were a SINGLE UNIT before they were split asunder which is nothing but the BIG BANG
Also notice that the astronomy during the time when Quran was revealed
was very primitive. Forget the telescopes; people didn’t even know that
the Earth was rounded in shape! It was during such backward times that
Quran made this bold statement. People would have laughed at this verse
back then. But now we know that this is correct, 100%, as always is the
case with the Quran.

for the word moreover
moreover Adverb
: in addition to what has been said : besides
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/moreover

I am writing the story behind this revelation....

Lets see if this could make any sense…

Surah 53 was revealed in the 5^th year of Prophethood…

Ibn Sad says that before this, in the Rajab of the 5th year
of Prophethood, a small group of the Companions had emigrated to Abyssinia. Then, when in the Ramadan of the same year this incident took place the news spread that the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) had recited Surah An-Najm publicly in the assembly of the Quraish and the whole assembly, including the believers as well as the disbelievers, had fallen down in prostration with him. When the emigrants to Abyssinia heard this news they formed the impression that the disbelievers of Makkah had become Muslims. Thereupon, some of them returned to Makkah in the Shawwal of the 5th year of Prophethood, only to learn that the news was wrong and the conflict between Islam and disbelief was raging as furiously as before. Consequently, the second emigration to Abyssinia took place, in which many more people left Makkah.

Thus, it becomes almost certain that this Surah was revealed in the Ramadan of 5th year of Prophethood. (Maududi Commentary on the Quran, Commentary on Surah 53, Source)

The verse that came rebuking the Prophet was sent down years later…

The very first verse indicates that this Surah was revealed
on the occasion of Mi`raj (Ascension). According to the Traditions and books on
the life of the Holy Prophet, this event happened one year before Hijrah. Thus, this Surah is one of those, which were revealed in the last stage of Prophethood at Makkah. (Maududi Commentary on the Quran, Commentary on Surah 17, Source)

And the verse that supposedly abrogated the ‘satanic revelation’ came in 1 A.H, which is approximately 8 years after the incident…
The sudden change of the style from v. 25 shows that
probably vv. 25-78 were sent down in the month of Zul-Hijjah in the very first year
after Hijrah. This is indicated by vv. 25-41 and confirmed by the
occasion of the revelation of vv. 39-40. (Maududi Commentary on the Quran, Commentary on Surah 22, Source)

Are you trying to say that Muslims believed the Satanic revelations were true revelations for eight years? That would mean that the Quraysh would have believed that the Muslims were pagan worshippers. So if the Quraysh did, then why did they keep on persecuting the Muslims for their beliefs,
which is the reason why the Hijra took place anyway?

Obviously, one should also continue reading the remaining of the Surah…

Surah 53:21-25
What! for you the male sex, and for Him, the female? Behold,
such would be indeed a division most unfair! These are nothing but names which ye have devised, - ye and your fathers, - for which God has sent down no authority (whatever). They follow nothing but conjecture and what their own souls desire! - Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord! Nay, shall man have (just) anything he hankers after? But it is to God that the End and the Beginning (of all things) belong.

It clearly condemns the deity of these idols, so why need a verse abrogating it?
Surah 22:52 is only a general statement…

Prophets and messengers (the distinction is explained in n.
2503 to xix. 51) are but human. Their actions are righteous and their motives pure. But in judging things from a human point of view, the suggestion may come to their mind (from Satan) that it would be good to have power or wealth or influence for furthering Allah's cause, or that it may be good to conciliate some faction which may be irreconcilable. In fact, in Allah's Plan, it may be the opposite. Allah, in His mercy and inspiration, will cancel any false or vain suggestions of this kind, and confirm and strengthen His own Commands and make known His Will in His Signs or revelations. (Yusuf Ali Commentary on the Quran, Commentary on Surah 22:52)

(Never sent We a messenger or a Prophet before thee) O Muhammad (but when he) the Prophet (recited (the message)) or spoke (Satan proposed (opposition) about that which he recited thereof) such that he does not act upon it. (But Allah abolisheth) but Allah elucidates (that which Satan proposeth)
on the tongue of His Prophet such that he does not act upon it. (Then Allah establisheth) then He clarifies (His revelations) for His Prophet in order that he acts upon them. (Allah is Knower) of that which Satan proposes, (Wise) He decrees to abolish it; (Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs, Commentary on Surah 22:52, Source)

Secondly, ONLY FOR SAKE OF ARGUMENT. Lets actually say that this whole incident is true and actually happened. This in no way disproves the Prophethood of Muhammad (peace be upon him), it actually does
nothing but convince me even more that he truly was a Prophet from God!
If we want to accept the story :
Satan deceived the Prophet for those few seconds by whispering those verses into him and tricking him into saying it, however later on God protected his Prophet and rebuked Satan and exposed Satan’s
failure in his attempt to bring people into idol worship. This could only show that the author of the Quran truly is God and no one else!
Of course, I reject the story. However, if people want to be stubborn and keep shoving it down my throat then fine! It does nothing more than prove to me that the Quran is indeed a revelation of God.

Now coming to your question that Bible says that moon has light, verse
18 says that sun was created to divide light from darkness. We can only
see moon when it is dark. Therefore no where Bible says that moon has
its own light. This is your own interpretation

i told you that the Bible says in Genesis, Ch. 1, Verses No.16, that…‘God created two lights the greater light, the Sun to rule the day, and the lesser light the Moon, to rule the night.
The actual translation, if you go to the Hebrew text, it is ‘lamps’…‘Lamps having lights of its own.’

wait, it gets better,
Isaiah 30:26
Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun,
and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of
seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach
of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.
Notice this verse from the Bible says that the light of the moon shall be as
the light of the sun; this indicates that the moon will have
its own light, which will be as great as the sun. As we all
know that cannot happen, since the moon does not even have
it is own light, rather it is reflected light from the sun.
Christians have been so troubled by this verse that
Christian commentaries went through deception saying the
moon's light here referred to the Church or the Gospel!

there is more:
Isa 13:10
For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof
shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his
going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light
to shine.
Notice the verse says that moon shall not cause HER LIGHT to shine, meaning
the moon has its own light.
If one carefully reads the verse, one will notice this is a chain of objects
in space which will be giving up their light, notice it says
the stars will not give their light, then it says the sun,
then the moon. What this means is that each of these
objects, the stars, the sun, and the moon each have their
own light
there are many other verses like
this showing the author of the Bible believed the moon had
its own light:
Eze 32:7
And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and
make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a
cloud, and the moon shall not give her light.

Mat 24:29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the
sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the
heavens shall be shaken:

Mar 13:24
But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be
darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,