Easter is Ungodly

Guys I just want to tell you that servant is right... Easter is a pagan holiday.

https://christian-talk.forumotion.com/t1486-is-easter-evil?highlight=Easter

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Easter is all about the Resurrection of Jesus Christ while Pesach is about passing over of God in Egypt!

You answered your own question. Why do Christians (followers of Jesus Christ) observe a holiday that is all about the resurrection of Jesus Christ? Because it is all about the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

We are aware of the pagan holiday that occurs at the same time but we Christians do not observe the pagan holiday. We observe the Christian holiday.

Also, we are not Jews. Although we respect the Jews and some of us even observe Pesach in addition to the Christian holiday, if you try to teach us to be Jews than you become like the Judaizers that Paul wrote about in his letter to the Galatians.

Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day-- Colossians 2:16

HUHUHU

I'm not a Roman Catholic. I agree that Constantine was wrong to change the laws and he started a tradition that Catholics continue to follow changing the laws. I do not follow Catholic laws.

If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, Colossians 2:20

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. Galatians 5:18

For if those who are of the Law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise is nullified; Romans 4:14

What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith; but Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone, Romans 9:30-32

I observe the resurrection of Jesus Christ but I do not do so according to any decree, law, or works. I do not regard a particular day because I do not know which day it happened on. Instead, I contemplate the resurrection of Jesus Christ during the month of April give or take a few weeks. I never said that I observe the Roman holiday of Easter.

For judgment will be merciless to one who has shown no mercy; mercy triumphs over judgment. James 2:13

HUHUHU

You are not a Roman Catholic but you are celebrating a Catholic feast

Who said that I feast on Easter?

Yeshua or Jesus died on Wednesday so he resurrected again on Saturday!

You want me to honor the resurrection on Wednesday? Fine. That's easy enough to do since I don't honor a particular day to begin with.

However, so that we do not offend them, go to the sea and throw in a hook, and take the first fish that comes up; and when you open its mouth, you will find a shekel. Take that and give it to them for you and Me. Matthew 17:27

A brother offended is harder to be won than a strong city, And contentions are like the bars of a citadel. Proverbs 18:19

And the seed whose fruit is righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace. James 3:18

by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, Ephesians 2:15

So then we pursue the things which make for peace and the building up of one another. Romans 14:19

saying, “If you had known in this day, even you, the things which make for peace! But now they have been hidden from your eyes. Luke 19:42

But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless. Titus 3:9

An arrogant man stirs up strife, But he who trusts in the LORD will prosper. Proverbs 28:25

Keeping away from strife is an honor for a man, But any fool will quarrel. Proverbs 20:3

The beginning of strife is like letting out water, So abandon the quarrel before it breaks out. Proverbs 17:14

My point to you is not to disagree with you about holidays but to ask you why you are making such a quarrel about something so unimportant. I have many friends and family who celebrate Easter and Christmas in the traditional American way. I could get all upset because my family does not honor God in their celebrations but if I stirred up a quarrel with them, all that would happen would be that I would become ostracized from my family and no longer able to tell them about the gospel.

My point to you is that there are much bigger issues at stake than the celebration of a holiday. About half my family is going to Hell unless they repent and change their ways but getting them to celebrate Passover instead of Easter isn't going to save them from their sexual immorality. Trading Catholic rituals for Jewish rituals is just trading rituals for rituals. My family needs God more than they need a change of rituals.

So, to live in peace so that I might win them to God, I don't quarrel with them over holidays. I pick and choose my battles and Easter is just not that important of a battle to fight.

Everyone knows that Constantine Romanized Christianity with Paganism. The early disciples of the church were murdered off with the Jewish Roots and influence of the Jewish Messiah and the Jewish Torah. Today people are refinding those roots. This is something that each individual realizes with revealation from Yahweh by the Ruach, Holy Spirit.
There never was meant to be two camps.. there was only one Elohim, Yahweh, He is the same yesterday, today and forever and He changes not.
If we come to the Jewish realizations of our faith and embrace them such as I, Messianic Jew, and others do not, then you cannot expect or ask them to change for what you believe. We must focus on Yahshua and his sacrifice for us. Yes, paganism is still in Christianity and is accepted as such. If you choose to not accept it, then you need to find people who are like minded in the Word such as you. For we all are held accountable for what we know. Once WE know something, We are responsible for that truth and what we did with it. Blessings... In Yahshua ~ WARRIOR

WARRIOR wrote:If we come to the Jewish realizations of our faith and embrace them such as I, Messianic Jew, and others do not, then you cannot expect or ask them to change for what you believe. We must focus on Yahshua and his sacrifice for us.

Thank you. I am willing to learn more about Passover and the Jewish roots of my faith as long as there is respect and not hostility toward the non-Jewish influences that surround me.

Everyone hear loves Yahweh and Yahshua. I love this site and I cannot express enough the care, regard and concern for each believer where they are at with their personal walk with their Elohim. You have found a treasure here! Stick with it and the people... Blessings!!
For they will know we are believers by OUR LOVE... OUR LOVE...

HUHUHUHU

hannielebed wrote:

WARRIOR wrote:If we come to the Jewish realizations of our faith and embrace them such as I, Messianic Jew, and others do not, then you cannot expect or ask them to change for what you believe. We must focus on Yahshua and his sacrifice for us.

Thank you. I am willing to learn more about Passover and the Jewish roots of my faith as long as there is respect and not hostility toward the non-Jewish influences that surround me.

That's what I want and love to hear!

I am willing to help you and learn more about the Hebraic roots of our faith!

I am willing to help you to become a Grafted in Believer!

Armstrong wrote:I am telling this to all of you because I want you to be saved! And salvation is possible when you HONOR Yeshua and OBEY the Torah!

This, though, is what causes the quarrel. You are saying that people cannot be saved unless they become legalists. Please read the post I started called, "The Jew and the Christian according to the New Testament". Then you will see that this legalism is not of God. Even Hebrew scripture speaks against this legalism.

I am willing to learn about the Passover and the Hebrew Torah, but not because my salvation depends on it.

I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly. Galatians 2:21

nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified Galatians 2:16

However, I do not want to speak against the law. Salvation does not come through obedience of the law but through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. But even though salvation does not come through obedience of the law, the law is still good IF it is not brandished like a club to beat people with.

What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith; but Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone, Romans 9:30-32

You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life. John 5:39-40

As I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, remain on at Ephesus so that you may instruct certain men not to teach strange doctrines, nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith. But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions. But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, 1 Timothy 1:3-8

One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” Matthew 22:35-40

How can you teach law apart from love and expect that law to bring salvation?

HUHUHUHU

I'm impressed by how you use my own words and scripture citations. And honestly, I am coming around to a near agreement with you. I do value the Torah and the law. The Torah and the law are nearly synonymous because the Torah contains the law and the law makes up the majority of the Torah but the Torah was more than just the law.

I still have a problem with you saying that I MUST observe Passover. For centuries, Christians had a similar problem with Communion. Although Communion and Passover are very different from each other, people have been confused by both and the confusion has been the same.

Remember the day you stood before the LORD your God at Horeb, when he said to me, “Assemble the people before me to hear my words so that they may learn to revere me as long as they live in the land and may teach them to their children.” Deuteronomy 4:10 (emphasis added)

And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” Luke 22:19 (emphasis added)

The keyword for both Passover and Communion is remember. The ceremony is not that important. In fact, God even says that if you do the ceremony without remembrance, it is a sin.

For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 1 Corinthians 11:29

The point of both ceremonies, Passover and Communion, is remembrance, not bitter herbs, unleavened bread or wine.

If I were to lead a group of people through Communion, I would not require anyone to take Communion because if they do not know the story behind Communion, I would cause them to sin by making them follow a ceremony that their heart was not in. Instead of requiring them to take Communion, I would teach them the story behind Communion, I would remind them of Jesus and what he did for us, and I would then leave it to their own conscience to decided whether to take Communion or not.

So instead of requiring us to observe Passover, how about teaching us the story behind Passover. And since you are tying the story into the resurrection, teach us how they tie together. Tell us how the Passover foreshadows the resurrection. I for one would love to learn and REMEMBER.

I just happened to do some research on another topic and recognized another problem with requiring the Passover as a means of salvation. Making such a requirement suggest that we can achieve our own salvation by our works. Repeatedly, this is spoken against in the scripture. We cannot achieve salvation by anything we do.

I like to use the phrase "Saved to obedience" as opposed to the phrase "Saved by obedience". We are not saved by our obedience of the law. It does not matter how perfectly we obey the law, the law cannot save. But after we are saved, we become able to obey the law. We could not obey the law before salvation. The law was given to us, not to help us earn salvation, but to teach us how much we need salvation. Then after we are saved, we have the empowering grace that empowers us to be able to obey the law. Even then, we are not able to obey the law perfectly as soon as we are saved. Salvation is the beginning of the process of sanctification. Sanctification takes time but as we are sanctified, we became more and more able to obey the law. Still, this puts salvation first and the law second. Obedience of the law does not lead to salvation. Recognizing that we are unable to obey the law leads to salvation which then leads to the grace which empowers us to obey the law.

For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:3-4

The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, Romans 5:20

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin. Romans 3:20

I also happened to find this scripture that explains how love is the fulfillment of the law. It is not that the law is rejected by Christians, but that through love, Christians learn to obey the law.

Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. Romans 13:8-10

Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. Romans 13:8-10

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I agree that that through love, people learn to obey the law. and no question for that. But love are not the only teaching of God in the Scriptures. We also need to know that God gives also His commandments or instructions this is called Torah. Without His Torah (instructions), how we would understand and aware of our sin? And what God wanted us to do? We need to know what God wants us to live. We cannot just go around blindly without direction. The Torah is His directions to us. The Torah is His love and grace to us. He loved us enough to show us His way.

All God’s commandments, that we find in the pages of Torah was given to us so that we could know what is right and what is wrong in the eyes of God? Love and grace do not show us what sin is in the eyes of the Father. Yeshua did not die because of love and grace only but to restore our relationship with the Father. This is the reason why He died for us!

“And the Word became flesh and lived among us, and we have seen his glory, the glory as of a father's only son, full of grace and truth…From his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace The law indeed was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Yeshua Ha’Mashiach.” [John 1-16]

Through Yeshua we learned what the true intent of the Torah was. That God loved us. Moses brought the Torah and with it we learned what sin was. Sin brought Spiritual death. Yeshua was the heart of the Torah and with Him He brought us from death into life. Yeshua was the Living Word of God and He was in the Words of the Tanak- OT as well as in the Apostolic Scriptures.

We see the love and grace of God all over the pages of the Bible. With Moses, we finally see the commandments of God written down for a people. God was calling a people of His own. He was showing His love and grace by giving a people His Torah.

Yes! The two most important commandments are: To love the Lord God with all your heart, soul and strength and To love your neighbor as yourself. But these are not the only commandments, these are the two most important. When Yeshua spoke of these He was speaking to the Jews.

I wish I could follow the commandments handed down to Israel from generation to generation, why do people get so worked up over it? I know that my faith is in Yeshua. I have received Salvation in Him. He is Salvation. His name Yeshua means Salvation, the Salvation of God. The same holds true for those from Ephraim who also choose to follow the Torah as given to Israel. Torah is for ALL of Israel --- Judah and Ephraim!

“…they are now justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in the Mashiach Yeshua.”[Romans 3]

“For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of yourself more highly than you ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned.”[Romans 12]

Salvation is a free gift from God to all of His people. Faith in God by accepting Yeshua as Messiah, as the debt for our sins, is the only way to receive the promise of eternal life. Sin, though, is defined by the Torah- the Word of God given to Israel by Moses and confirmed by Yeshua the Son of God and the Living Torah.

But as part of my walk with Messiah I choose to follow His Torah. In doing this I choose to imitate Yeshua, because He is the living Word of God. He is the Living Torah. He lived His life by following Torah. He could not do otherwise, because He is the Torah. How could He disobey Himself? In following Torah He obeyed His Father. If I choose to follow Torah as an expression of my faith knowing full well that Torah in itself cannot bring me salvation, then why is that wrong? I know that its only by my faith in the Messiah Yeshua can I find Salvation. Torah leads me to Yeshua.

To those who say we who follow the Torah are under the “Law,” I ask this question: Which of His “Laws” bother you?

Paul declared that all of those men and women of God who lived in the pages of the Tanak (Old Testament), lived under the commandments of God but were not saved by their faith in the Torah, but were preserved until the coming of the Messiah.

"But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the Torah, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. Therefore the Torah has become our tutor to lead us to Messiah, so that we may be justified by faith. "[ Galatians 3:23 -24]

“For the Torah of the Spirit of life in Mashiach Yeshua has made me free from the Torah of sin and death.”[Romans 8]

The Grace and Love of God is what saves us, not the law. But without the law we would not know what sin is. Do we have the audacity to believe that we do not need the commandments of God anymore that with the coming of Messiah we are perfected to the point that we no longer need His commandments to guide our lives? Sha'ul made the statement best. We are slaves to the law of God and to the law of sin. But we have been freed by the grace of God. The law shows us the way, the grace and love of God saves.

Amen. We are in complete agreement now. Like I said, the Torah is more than just the law. It is also instruction. Currently, I've been studying the life of Joseph, not merely reading it as a children's story, but studying hoping to glean a deeper understanding of the word of God. (I'm also aware of the significance of gleaning as spelled out in the Torah)

Since I now have a source that I can learn about the Hebrew roots of Christianity, I have a question. How should Passover be celebrated? I'm sure we don't smear blood on the door frame anymore. I rent a bedroom and I doubt my landlord would approve of me smearing blood on his door frame. What do you do?

To celebrate Passover: The meal is the one time of the year we are told to observe the Death of the Messiah for us. It is a solemn day and feast. You do not do blood because Yahshua died and rose again. Instead you keep the feast day in honor of him. It is perpetual, Eternal for all believers.
The animal sacrifice of the law was done away with, but not the instruction of the law: Ten commandments or the laws of treating each other fairly of instruction or the dietary laws. Those are all still in effect. As you read the Torah, first 5 books of Moses, you will see that they are perpetual for the Israelites and the sojourner within their camp.
We are only responsible for what we learn, and know. We are to apply it. Blessings to you in your
fellowship with Him.

Yeshua is the door, the perfect Passover lamb sacrifice that takes us to Abba/Father but salvation is in His name! So no need to perform blood rituals because we are redeemed through Yeshua's blood.

So meaning to say Yeshua foreshadows the door while the blood of the lamb foreshadows the blood of Yeshua

Read up on the history of Passover in the passages of Scriptures. If you dont know what verses are them-- you can ask me.You can also find information on Passover and Passover traditions on several websites such as

Learn traditional prayers that are said during Passover. You can find these online

Learn the Davidic Worship. You may sing some songs that are sung during Passover. Once again, this information can either be found online.

Cook a traditional Passover meal for Seder Ceremony this includes baking some matzah or unleavened bread, bitterherbs, etc.. You can find out how to do so online.

Remember to separate Passover from Good Friday and Easter celebrations. Jewish and Christian traditions are different and must be observed as such.

Do not do any work because it is a special sabbath.

If you have any questions just ask me

Shalom!

It's difficult enough to find a job in this economy. Is it really a requirement that I can't have a job that requires me to work on the sabbath?

Armstrong, you are only eighteen. Do you know what day the crucifixion occurred, or the resurrection? Or are you merely passing on what your synagogue or church taught you? Have you done your research? Tell me the story of the crucifixion and resurrection pointing out to me the relationship to the passover. Don't be lazy, making bold assertions about Good Friday and Easter but not knowing the story yourself.

Don’t let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith and in purity. 1 Timothy 4:12

I answered a question someone asked me.. next thing i know it gets into a DISCUSSION OF RELIGION.... Yahweh and Yahshua are NOT RELIGION.
This just proves to me that people cannot grasp the truth for the simple truth.
I wish not to be disrespectful to the Torah or the Ten Commandments.

In light of that and everyone rushing to put their beliefs out there, which I will not do..
PLEASE DELETE MY ACCOUNT FROM THIS WEBSITE. THANK YOU.
RESPECTFULLY WARRIOR